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opinionsrus · 12/11/2006 18:56

What I would like to ask is how exactly do you find so much spare time to chat on these boards about earning between £100k and £250k when you have five children of your own and also what seems must be a very demanding full time job?

I have just one child and a very part time job and this will be about the only 5 minutes I get to luxuriate on the internet?

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Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 11:28

Uwil I only have one username and I dont have to change it to have my say, do people have to be someone else to hold a different opinion

shrugs shoulders

Uwilalalalalala · 16/11/2006 11:33

No, I was just wondering if there are really two different people who hold that appauling view. It appears there are. And, sadly, probably more.

Rhubarb · 16/11/2006 11:37

Would you 3 prefer to have a chat on MSN?

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 11:38

I think its sad that a baby so young is passed over to a stranger, the first couple of weeks of a babies life is very important bonding wise, a baby needs nuturing, but as long as you were ok with that then its fine

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 11:41

no rhubarb would like to have a discussion here

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 11:42

poppy dont be put off having your say, you are entitled to give your view, thats why this is a forum.

Aderyn · 16/11/2006 11:42

It really doesn't bother me if women choose to go back to work 2 weeks, 6 months or 1 year after they've had their baby. So long as they are happy with that decision and they have left the baby in the hands of good childcare. I could never have done it myself and looking back, the first 2 months of my first baby's life probably did feel a little like I'd become someone's servant - living just to take care of their needs. But then I expected that. I set myself up for the first 3 months to be like a black hole and so the reality of it never smacked me hard in the face.

If your perspective of being at home with a baby/child is based on those early weeks/months, then it is unfair for you to judge other mothers/fathers who gain enjoyment from the company of their older children.

Even Mozhe says "I love the bits of parenting that involve direct interaction with my children, teaching them things and having fun/helping them resolve issues etc. The other bits,( obvously some overlap ), are happily and efficiently done by a lovely trained nanny, who , most importantly imo loves doing it."

But the fun bits and the shitty bits DO overlap. Is it so inconceivable that some parents, who have the choice, would rather spend more than 2 days per week doing the fun bits, at the sacrafice of having to add a few more days per week of the shitty bits? And in the world's of most people, the shitty bits don't stop at the weekends and the funs bits don't cease during the weekdays.

Aderyn · 16/11/2006 11:44

Oops to that apostrophe.

Rhubarb · 16/11/2006 11:50

No-one has told me how come they spend so much time doing housework.

But this thread is going to turn into a tic for tac with no real arguments being made, so I'll leave you all to it.

blueshoes · 16/11/2006 12:07

Rhubarb, you asked: "Housework took up about half an hour of my day, I mean, how long does it take to vacuum, wash up and stick some clothes in the machine?"

I frequently wonder myself where all my times goes. Hmmmmm, in addition to your list, I'd say cooking (prep/cook/washing up/putting away dishes - even with weekly menus, freezing and one shop), admin (bills, school crap, finance), house management (eg calling plumber, maintenance), social (planning for party/holidays) ...

BTW, I work pt but dd 3 is in ft nursery. Now on maternity leave with a 2 month old ds permanently attached to my boob. And I have a cleaner. Where does my time go?

fennel · 16/11/2006 12:10

Rhubarb, when I had just one we did virtually no housework. But more children makes more housework. On maternity leave with dd3 (and two other young children) there seemed to be mounds of it everywhere. It really got me down, and made me very happy to go back to paid work and leave the mess behind.

Rhubarb · 16/11/2006 12:13

Let me save you some time there then! I used to do a whole batch of spag bog/casserole/curry and freeze it to use on other days.

Dh had 2 days a week when he did the cooking.

Bills paid as soon as they come in, took about 1 minute.

Shopping, dh and I used to take turns doing this once a week.

Social things - dunno about that, I didn't really have any social things to organise!

Maintenance - yes it is a bugger getting things arranged, but hopefully you don't have to do this too often unless your house is falling to bits!

Make sure your dh does some of it too! Mine used to do clothes washing at the weekends and if I cooked he washed up and vice versa. He ironed his things too as and when he needed to iron anything.

I think some of you must have higher standards of cleaning than me and/or bigger houses.

blueshoes · 16/11/2006 12:21

thanks for the tips, Rhu. I do do some of them already but must be terribly anal. And my house is far from immaculate. Did I mention tidying? I need fennel-type blinkers!

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 12:40

I believe in little and often, like flylady

Rhubarb · 16/11/2006 12:49

An untidy house is the sign of a well loved and used home!

I hate going into these houses where you have to take off your shoes and are too scared to have a cup of tea in case you spill it! That's not a home - that's a show house! I want my visitors to feel as though they can relax. So it's not a wonderfully tidy house, but it's not a tip either!

Little and often is the best way to go, as tinks said.

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 12:57

yes I agree Rhubarb, a house should feel lived in, I go round a relatives house and have to take my shoes off at the door, yes fair enough its a new carpet, but when they potty train their son they will be having allsorts on it and a little bit of outside dust wont make a difference, lol

fennel · 16/11/2006 12:58

Don't you think it's rather sweet how this thread has turned into a friendly sharing of housework tips?

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 13:38

yes fennel

Rhubarb · 16/11/2006 13:43

What do you have kids for anyway if not to do all the housework for you? I'm currently training dd to make cups of tea and for Christmas we're getting her a special stool to stand on so she can do all the washing!

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 15:34

well my DD sets the table for dinner, takes her plate out and wipes the table down, have to wait a couple of years to teach her how to make the coffee

Uwilalalalalala · 16/11/2006 16:01

Ooooooo I can't wait until the kids are old enough to do some work round the house... oh my dreams come true. But, at 18 months and 3 1/2 years I'm not exactly there yet.

Tinkerbel5 · 16/11/2006 17:31

what age do kids have to be to do the shopping ?, I detest food shopping lol

Uwilalalalalala · 16/11/2006 17:42

Depends on what you want them to buy. DH is not old enough to do the shopping.

opinionsrus · 16/11/2006 19:46

Do your food shopping on the internet!!!
Go to tescos/sainsburys/asda. Personally I use tesco.

OK you pay £5 for delivery but don't you think its worth it. Sit down in front of the pc with a nice large glass of white wine and just click click away. Hey presto 2 days later shopping arrives, haven't got them to put it away yet but am working on that one.

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Judy1234 · 16/11/2006 20:15

I do all the food shopping on the internet. I virtually never go in shops. I hate shopping.

I was asked" Xenia I'm curious to know how you managed to afford fulltime childcare and a house at the very start of your career.
You say you had your first child at 22 and went to work full-time when your baby was 2 weeks old. I can't imagine many 22 year olds, straight out of University, being able to afford to have a baby and then go back to work full-time. Not now anyway. Getting on the property ladder and paying off student debts would be most 22 year olds' (who wanted to settle down at that young age) financial priorities."

I didn't have student debts. In those days you got grants, jobs or your parents paid. Nowadays you avoid student debts if your mother is a well paid working mother but you have huge student debts if she became a SAHM so cannot fund your univesrity years...(okay that one's a bit tongue in cheek but do consider it...)

I went to university when I was 17 so I graduated young. I picked well paid work. I was... am I allowed to say it... very good at it.... Also I was married. We earned about the same so paid half the childcare each. The cost of the daily nanny did not eat up all our salaries but certainly half of each but I was working in something where my income would grow and 20 years + on even if those few years were hard financially the pay off was something the family benefitted from over the following 10 years and I doubt my 22 year old remembers her baby gros from Oxfam now.

We lived very simply. All the baby things were second hand. We did have a mortgage. The house cost about 3 times our joint salaries. So most of our income went on mortgage and nanny. We ate a lot of potatoes and rice. I also did things like mark exam papers nad my husband did lots of extra private teaching. If you really want a family when you're young it is possible but you need to pick a career which will sustain that.

Yes, some people meet partners later. Someone I had lunch with yesterday who regretted marrying at 21, he was advocating people waiting but I didn't agree. If I hadn't married then I might never have, might never have had the 5 gorgeous children etc. You do what you think is right at the time with the same person. And there's quite a lot to be said for not getting used to years of freedom and money. If you go from studying to working/babies you don't have a huge adjustment period. If you never had much money you don't miss it. I was never into showing off babies in smart clothes or brands and labels.

I certainly agree that all parents do some of those parts of childcare. I haven't farmed mine out for 22 years. Every single day I'm doing loads of that stuff - the working/stay at home thing is not a no chores v lots of chores thing. There's lots of childcare involved in being a working mother.

In 10 years when my twins go to university I will be in year 32 of motherhood and presumably I'll have grandchildren. So I certainly haven't chosen the child free course. In fact I probably have spent hour for hour more time than most stay at home mothers with 2 children.

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