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EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:14

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:12

Who appointed Cressida Dick as Chief of the Met despite her track record? Was that Sadiq Khan? No, it was the Home Office. He was the one who got her to resign though.

🙄

After all the shit had gone down Dick’s resignation was an open goal.

Why do you have such low standards for Labour?

ZaZathecat · 14/04/2023 10:15

Will his ability to say a woman can't have a penis put food on people's tables, pay their gas bills, retain NHS staff, repair the broken care system, put in place the necessary admin to process asylum seekers to ensure we don't have 1000s staying in hotels, fix the police service, retain nursing and teaching staff by making their working life acceptable?
I don't think so. This sound bite is not getting my vote.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:16

Chersfrozenface · 14/04/2023 10:07

This ^

Just look at Labour in Wales.

Look at the Welsh (Labour) government's LGBTQ+ Action Plan

Look at the Welsh government's insistence on mixed sex toilets in schools, in defiance of regulations.

Look at the Welsh government's sex education documents, which insist on teaching about "sex, gender and sexual orientation".

Education is a devolved matter. This is what Labour is already doing in Wales.

And look at Labour in Scotland. The party there whipped its MSPs to pass the GRR legislation. It has backed the SNP's legal action against the UK government's use of Section 35 to stop GRR.

This is the actual record of the Labour Party's actions where it is in power.

Exactly.

Labour are in charge in Wales and it’s a shit show!

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:16

ZaZathecat · 14/04/2023 10:15

Will his ability to say a woman can't have a penis put food on people's tables, pay their gas bills, retain NHS staff, repair the broken care system, put in place the necessary admin to process asylum seekers to ensure we don't have 1000s staying in hotels, fix the police service, retain nursing and teaching staff by making their working life acceptable?
I don't think so. This sound bite is not getting my vote.

No.

But Labour don’t have any credible policies for these things. I wish they did.

Camdenish · 14/04/2023 10:17

Fortunately I won’t have to vote Tory as I’ll have KJK to vote for. And there’s usually a communist running in KS Holborn and St Pan constituency too.

HagoftheNorth · 14/04/2023 10:19

Really interesting to notice who is providing interesting, thought through arguments, and who is resorting to ‘Brexit voter’ or ‘tail-wagging voter’. Argue your case - insults will not persuade anyone of your pov

Whaeanui · 14/04/2023 10:20

Argue your case - insults will not persuade anyone of your pov

Exactly! Can you please go work for labour and tell them too!

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:23

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:14

🙄

After all the shit had gone down Dick’s resignation was an open goal.

Why do you have such low standards for Labour?

Why are you such an apologist for this shitshow of a government?

Re: the Sarah Everard vigil

"Dick defended the MPS's conduct; said that policing was "fiendishly difficult"; and criticised what she called "armchair" critics.[5] She also suggested that if women felt unsafe when approached by officers they should resist arrest, run away, then "wave down a bus" or call 999; these remarks prompted criticism that Dick and the Met were not taking the matter seriously.[70][71] Opposition Leader Keir Starmer, London mayor Sadiq Khan, campaigners and backbench MPs all criticised the Metropolitan Police.[5] Dick retained the confidence of Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Home Secretary Priti Patel"

(from Wikipedia)

Leader of the Opposition (United Kingdom) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_of_the_Opposition_(United_Kingdom)

HVPRN · 14/04/2023 10:24

RoyGBivisacolorfulman · 14/04/2023 09:03

I just can't get over the mindset that this one issue to the detriment of everything else mental health, schools, nhs and all of the sleeze that you would still vote them on this one issue.

I am not saying it's not important. However to most people they can't afford to heat their homes.

I am trying to understand other people's reasoning I am. Everytime I just can't get my head around it. To vote Tory is horrific unless you are rich.
My life is worth now than ever as a 40 year old woman with a daughter. All under Tory.

This! 💯💯💯

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:24

Reading stories from the tail end of the Blair gov/start of the Brown gov and they are full of the same corrupt cronyism as current day stories about the Tories:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/blair-faces-backlash-over-drive-for-academy-schools-6103419.html

Loads of the current issues in health and education and crime and social care were all set in motion by Labour.

I wish it wasn’t true but it is.

Blair faces backlash over drive for academy schools

Tony Blair will today face a backlash from his most senior Labour MPs over the drive to create the city academy schools which has fuelled the "cash for peerages" scandal.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/blair-faces-backlash-over-drive-for-academy-schools-6103419.html?amp

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:25

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:23

Why are you such an apologist for this shitshow of a government?

Re: the Sarah Everard vigil

"Dick defended the MPS's conduct; said that policing was "fiendishly difficult"; and criticised what she called "armchair" critics.[5] She also suggested that if women felt unsafe when approached by officers they should resist arrest, run away, then "wave down a bus" or call 999; these remarks prompted criticism that Dick and the Met were not taking the matter seriously.[70][71] Opposition Leader Keir Starmer, London mayor Sadiq Khan, campaigners and backbench MPs all criticised the Metropolitan Police.[5] Dick retained the confidence of Prime Minister Boris Johnson and Home Secretary Priti Patel"

(from Wikipedia)

I’m not.

I just remember the previous shitshow governments, don’t you?

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:25

Loads of the current issues in health and education and crime and social care were all set in motion by Labour.

Gosh, well it's not like the Tories have had 13 years to sort it out or anything?

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:28

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:25

Loads of the current issues in health and education and crime and social care were all set in motion by Labour.

Gosh, well it's not like the Tories have had 13 years to sort it out or anything?

The Tories are shit, we agree, but where is the evidence that Labour are a credible government in waiting?

DizzyRascal · 14/04/2023 10:31

Tories and Labour despise the working class and the poor. It's just that Labour gloss over the contempt by thinking of them as " vulnerable" whereas Tories out and out think they deserve everything they get for being stupid enough to be poor.
Working class people voted Tory last time because they wanted to be acknowledged as people with aspirations rather than people who will always need handouts. Neither party will do what this country actually needs them to do because barely any of the people in charge have ever had a real job. They are totally protected from reality.
Every normal person in this country knows women don't have penises. It's like saying water is wet. Now what? Can either party create affordable housing, get people seen in hospital, reduce class sizes and create actual public transport that works ( outside of London). I doubt it.

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:31

I wish our local schools could get their land back and revert from academy status but that would take a time machine.

Schools round here are like battery farms. Utterly shite for ND kids.

FigRollsAlly · 14/04/2023 10:31

For me, this is as fundamental an issue as abortion rights. If Labour were proposing to ban abortion, would it then be understandable why people said they couldn’t vote for them? It’s a single issue, women’s rights issue, after all.

Chersfrozenface · 14/04/2023 10:32

Let's look at health in Wales, where Labour have been in government for 22 years, and where health is a devolved matter.

Let's take waiting times - this is from the BBC last October:

"Waiting lists are also rising in England and hit 7 million in August, but we can see by looking at the proportions waiting in different time periods that 60% of waits in England are less than 18 weeks compared to 45% in Wales.
The biggest difference is in those longest waits.
In England, about one in 20 patients on the list have been waiting more than a year, in Wales it is nearly one in four.
We can see in Wales, 7.9% of waits are more than two years - in England, it's just 0.04%."

NotHavingIt · 14/04/2023 10:36

shard5 · 14/04/2023 05:46

But why have they let things get so bad? They've been in power for 12 years is it and this shitshow has grown and grown and now it's completely out of hand?
I'm glad he's saying it but I fear it's too little too late.

Everyone has been asleep at the wheel - the word over. Thankfully in Britain we have yet to pass Self ID and at last there is a debate.

Floisme · 14/04/2023 10:37

I don't vote Tory but that looks like a good, clear statement from Sunak and I expect Labour to match it if they want my vote. I hope Labour supporters who think this is such a minor issue are asking their party why they seem intent on throwing away votes over it.

Whaeanui · 14/04/2023 10:38

The Tories are shit, we agree, but where is the evidence that Labour are a credible government in waiting?

Yes why do people think because we are criticising labour and won’t vote for them that we are then defending everything wrong the tories have done? It’s not accurate. Neither is this fairytale about labour being a party that sorts everything out and cares about us all. They’re both shit ok. Both. For women who see this as important, Tories are better. Women are allowed to prioritise their basic rights!

NotHavingIt · 14/04/2023 10:39

KalimbaMoon · 14/04/2023 08:53

I can’t vote Tory and have never voted Tory. But Rishi is saying all the things here that I wish Keir would say. Labour would have my vote in a heartbeat then. Nobody has piled on Rishi or cancelled him for knowing what a woman is. What is Keir so afraid of?

He has continually reiterated his intention to pass Gender Self ID and most of his cabinet, and others in the party, are vocally committed to it too.

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:40

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:31

I wish our local schools could get their land back and revert from academy status but that would take a time machine.

Schools round here are like battery farms. Utterly shite for ND kids.

Yes, the Tory policy of turning every school into an academy so that they could close down Local Authorities is something you're probably pretty angry about? Particularly when they use Ofsted to force academisation on unwilling schools?

(Labour only ever planned for failing schools to become academies).

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:42

Yes why do people think because we are criticising labour and won’t vote for them that we are then defending everything wrong the tories have done?

It's the people who are looking at that terrible track record and saying "yes, I'll vote for 5 more years of the same because Rishi said something fairly meaningless" who are raising eyebrows.

Floisme · 14/04/2023 10:43

If it's so meaningless then I very much look forward to Starmer saying the same thing

EmotionalSupportHyena · 14/04/2023 10:43

noblegiraffe · 14/04/2023 10:40

Yes, the Tory policy of turning every school into an academy so that they could close down Local Authorities is something you're probably pretty angry about? Particularly when they use Ofsted to force academisation on unwilling schools?

(Labour only ever planned for failing schools to become academies).

Yes!
Labour created the policy and set it in motion, which then continued.

Which is the same as the privatisation of the NHS.

Tories are always gonna Tory, it’s Labour that have let down the working classes.

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