Dr Upton in the news again

[Sparkyduchess]

I see the lovely Dr Upton is in the news again, who didn’t see this coming 🙄

i feel for the woman facing this, and troubling that she was worried she’d be bullied into accepting treatment from him

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16235793/Doctor-quit-UK-Peggie-trans-row-centre-gender-storm-Australia-known-Lis.html

It really isn’t. 200 beds is small in comparison to most.

Really not sure why I’m being argued with here. I live in the area and know what the hospitals here are like. I’m not arguing for Dr Upton.

Probably because you asserted that it was not possible to ask for a female Dr (it is) because the hospital is tiny (it isn't).

…. but it’s still unlikely any request for a female doctor would be honoured. The ED want to assess/treat patients and move them on. I agree with @2021x - the DM is colouring in this story or left a great deal out.

Do you live there, @SirChenjins?

And yet, that is a reasonable size for a regional hospital. I guess, maybe it depends on where you are. The regional hospital where I grew up still only has maybe 300 beds and the closest one with double that is a flight away.

If you consider 200+ tiny, goodo. But I think you perhaps have very high expectations for Australian regional hospitals with emergency departments.

And still the issue is, if that hospital cannot provide one female doctor when requested, then that is an issue for NSW Health to consider about their service delivery levels.

Do I need to live there to know that a 228 bed, level 5 regional hospital isn't "tiny"? Or that it's absolutely possible to request a female Dr? Given you live there, I would have thought you would know this.

As a British person working in both Zone 5. Rural NT and NZ, as a clinician, I can confirm there have been several incidents of Australians and Kiwis whose behaviour changes when they hear my accent. One patient told me that they were going to call immigration and refused to be seen by me when I started speaking another screamed "Dirty Pom" at me when I was assisting a nurse.

In my post I was pointing out that we actually don't know why this happened and offering that as an explanation. The patient may have needed a translator.

Wouldn't the patient have the right to refuse treatment?

Again, there is a difference between the hospital saying "We will respect your request, but this means that you will have to wait for treatment" and "You have requested treatment from a female doctor, but we don't define what that means".

Wow. Okay.

So which is it? There wouldn’t be a woman available or there would be a woman available but the request wouldn’t be honoured?

And is the hospital too busy to be able to honour such requests because they would want to assess/treat/move on, or is it so quiet and small that the roster isn’t likely to have a woman available?

Unless the problem was significantly urgent, most departments would do their best to accommodate such a request.

Okay indeed.

Remember - many of us here have family who work in healthcare in Australia, have colleagues who have worked in healthcare there, or who work on building projects in their health sector. Or, we read the news.

And? So?

I think the point is we don't know.

There are hardly any details and the Daily Mail is biased on these things.

You can request a female doctor, but that might not be accommodated, at which point you can decline a medical assessment or wait it out.

Port Macquarie is quite far from other medical centres, so the patient may have waited it out, or they may have a preferred clinician (it is small) and wanted to see them. It might have nothing to do with Dr. Upton being trans or it might. We simply don't know.

That is grim!! I am sorry that you experienced this.

However, I would hope it is rare.

“there is a difference between the hospital saying "We will respect your request, but this means that you will have to wait for treatment" and "You have requested treatment from a female doctor, but we don't define what that means".”

^^ this

Not as much as the non-white staff but yeah it was pretty awful.

I once had a patient who was creepy the whole time, answering all my questions with, "Where did you grow up?" "Why did you move here?" "Why are you stealing our jobs?" If I had known you were foreign, I wouldn't have booked to see you "Do you think you belong here". She just kept getting closer and closer and backed me into a corner. Was very creepy.

It seems more likely from the news report that it was to do with Dr Upton being male - the woman saw he was male, and didn't want to be bullied into having treatment from him. Given his very publicly stated intentions regarding treating women who say no, I would say she was right to be concerned.

That you think this trumps someone who actually lives in the region is remarkable.

Isn't the internet wonderful 😊

And so my previous post stands.

I’m glad it does.

Given your previous 2 inaccurate assertions, yes, it appears it does.

This this this!

And the icing on the cake that Upton declared themselves a biological female and would put themselves forward to examine a woman who has requested only a biological female.

Personally, it would have to be life or death before I would consent to be treated by a doctor who didn't understand human biology and is sufficiently mentally disturbed to say and believe the things Upton says.

Ok so do transexual people use the correct single sex spaces for their actual sex?

If Transgender think they are their chosen sex then they are deluded and mentally ill.

I actually suspect most aren't mentally ill at all but are mearly perverted individuals who are getting a sexual kick out of being in women's private spaces.
And as such are actually very very dangerous individuals, who will eventually want more than just a kick out of being in the woman's changing rooms or hospital wards.

I so wish Dr. Greer was inspired enough to comment on this statement/situation