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The kind of “girl” that a boy who identifies as a girl thinks he is

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MyAmpleSheep · 18/10/2026 14:49

How do people who celebrate the transitioning of five year old children know that the kind of girl a boy who identities as a “girl” identifies as is the same kind of girl that a girl who identifies as a “girl” is?

Other than than from what he sees girls doing, how can a boy “know” what being a girl is, to be sure he is one?

is it posited that there is an innate sense of boy:girl that exists outside of the experience of seeing and being the presence of others?

If a child was “raised by wolves”, could they be trans? If that child had a male body and reached the age of 20 never having seen or met or known of the existence of women is it possible for them to grow up with dysphoria? When eventually discovering the other sex would they suddenly recognize “they had been born in the wrong body”?

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ArabellaScott · 22/10/2026 09:13

Circular arguments are not sufficient.

Lacksie, what evidence or argument would lead you to reconsider your belief that gender identity involves an innate neurological awareness of sex? And do you recognise any part of your explanation that remains unproven or unresolved?

Are you arguing that an innate neurological sense of sex is a scientifically established phenomenon, or that it's a hypothesis you consider plausible? I'm trying to establish exactly what you're claiming.

Imdunfer · 22/10/2026 09:23

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:04

This is completely false. I've explained it extensively . If you feel the explanation doesn't properly address the question you need to identify what is missing and ask specific follow up. Not just ask thr same question again and pretend it hadn't been answered. That is thoroughly disingenuous

Your answer is effectively "a human knows it's a female in the same way that a monkey knows it's a female, because it's a female".

You have not answered how a boy child would know that he is a female.

Your answer circles back again and again to "if a boy child insists he's a female then he must know he is a female in exactly the same way a female child or a female monkey knows they are a female.

You have referred us to research that didn't support your argument, to Einstein's theories of time, and told us that we are closed minded because we are satisfied with current known and demonstrated ways of influencing a child to say and believe such a thing, while assuring us that at some unspecified time in the future some genius scientist will happen along with an answer completely unrelated to anything we currently know and observe.

When that magic fairy dust arrives I will change my point of view. In the meantime it is laughable that you call us closed minded while you simultaneously reject every other possible mechanism by which a trans child can be a product of their environment and upbringing.

nutmeg7 · 22/10/2026 09:32

Lacksie · 21/10/2026 18:23

what does he think a girl is?

The answer is - there is no single answer to that question (different children will have different conceptions), and while it's perfectly reasonable to ask a child what the word "girl" means to them, that doesn't necessarily explain why they identify as one.

But to identify as something, that person MUST have an internal concept of what they mean by it.

This is basic stuff.

A boy says “I am a girl”.

That boy has understood something by the concept and word “girl.” To understand the boy, we need to know what he means by “girl” and his concept of girl. This will be different at different ages and stage of development. And if there is neurodiversity present it might be different again.

All the waffle in the world does not detract from this core issue the heart of “identifying as…”. But you don’t seem to accept the validity of this key question. I can’t take your reams of waffle seriously without you addressing this one. It’s all deflection.

NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2026 09:33

Even if the base explanation of “what is it?” made sense (it doesn’t) we would still need a decent explanation justifying the need to sterilise the child for the sake of what it is.

Again, I’ll reiterate, Lacksie’s explanations are the best any TRA can come up with. The best!

Imdunfer · 22/10/2026 09:35

@nutmeg7 I'm thinking back to a point in this discussion very early on, where it was said, I think by @Lacksie, that it's possible to claim to be a member of a group of people without being able to explain what makes you part of that group.

I'm struggling to think of any distict group this is claimed for except for trans people who claim membership of the group "the opposite sex", where "I just feel I am" is considered an entry ticket to the group.

Is there one?

PlinketyplonkSlinketyslonk · 22/10/2026 09:37

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:04

This is completely false. I've explained it extensively . If you feel the explanation doesn't properly address the question you need to identify what is missing and ask specific follow up. Not just ask thr same question again and pretend it hadn't been answered. That is thoroughly disingenuous

As you wish.

You argued that "there's no evidence whatsoever that gender incongruence has anything to do with conscious reasoning — either about sex stereotypes or anything else." But given that a 4-year-old’s brain doesn't do abstract logic yet, how can a toddler separate biological sex from an internal gender identity? If it isn't based on biology, and it happens before he even learns social stereotypes like dresses or dolls, what is he actually sensing? How do you define what being a "girl" feels like here without the argument becoming circular, or isn't it more likely just a simple mix-up over what the words mean?

You also noted that "underlying neurobiological processes interact with social learning," pointing out that a child raised by wolves wouldn't have the concepts of "boy" and "girl." If a child completely relies on society to get these labels in the first place, how can psychologists separate a truly innate internal drive from the intense social conditioning, media, and adult cues they absorb every day? Isn't there a risk that affirming a sensitive, gentle boy as a "girl" actually reinforces rigid sexist stereotypes by telling him he can't just be a feminine boy, but must actually be a female to fit in?

When discussing how to handle this, you said that "affirmation here simply means recognising the reality of a child's psychological experience" and that changing names or clothes "is a responsive and revisable parenting/ relationship approach." But if a 4-year-old insists they are a dinosaur or a dog, parents view it as play and guide them back to reality. What makes a child claiming to be the opposite sex a deep truth that needs affirming, rather than standard childhood imagination? Furthermore, at what point does an interpersonal courtesy cross the line into asking an entire nursery or community to validate a fiction over material reality?

Finally, you defended social transition by saying that denying a child's experience "is unhelpful and causing profound distress." However the Cass review suggests that early social transition is not a neutral act and often locks a child into a medicalised pathway they might have otherwise naturally outgrown. With the clinical shifts away from early childhood transitioning, is there actual clinical data or long-term research you can point to showing that gentle, reality-based boundaries cause genuine harm to a toddler compared to full affirmation?

Pingponghavoc · 22/10/2026 09:46

Teaching four year olds, or letting them believe, that a man could be a woman because of gender identity goes against so much of parents instincts to keep their children safer.

If a boy believe he was a girl because of gender identity, a whole layer of safeguarding has been blown apart. Children wouldn't think it odd if a man was somewhere he shouldn't be.

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:49

ArabellaScott · 22/10/2026 09:05

I understand your argument that a child doesn't need to know how other people experience being male or female to recognise their own internal experience. But what is the content of that experience, and by what mechanism does the child recognise it specifically as belonging to the opposite sex? You have explained why comparison with others isn't necessary, but not how the experience conveys information about sex in the first place.

OK, thank you. That helps clarify what you're asking, and I think it's a genuinely interesting question.

First, again, what I'm referring to as gender identity is our recognition of ourselves in relation to sex categories such as male and female, boy and girl. For most people, that recognition corresponds to their physical sex, so it's completely unremarkable. It doesn't necessarily feel like anything. It's simply something they know about themselves.

But that's true of a great deal of human cognition.

Consider again the example of recognising your own arm. What does recognising that your arm belongs to your body actually feel like? I couldn't tell you. You might say you know it's yours because you can see it or feel it, but as we've discussed, neurological conditions such as somatoparaphrenia demonstrate that bodily ownership isn't simply derived from those sensations. Some patients can see and feel their arm but don't recognise it as their own. Conversely, someone can lose movement or sensation in a limb without losing their recognition of it as part of their body.

The point is that much of our cognition happens automatically, through processes operating outside conscious awareness. We experience the result of those processes without necessarily having direct conscious access to how the brain produces it.

So if I asked you what recognising yourself as a woman feels like, you might reasonably answer that it doesn't feel like anything. You simply know you're a woman. You wouldn't necessarily be able to describe some distinctive internal sensation of femaleness.

And this is what I'm suggesting is also happening when a young gender-incongruent child identifies as a girl or boy.

When researchers and interviewers ask young children how they know, they give simple answers: "I just am", "I felt it inside", "my body feels it", "on the outside I'm a girl, but inside my head I know I'm a boy".
People objected and got very indignant when I previously shared examples like these because they felt the answers were insufficient. But insufficient for what? They weren't intended to establish whether a child should receive medical treatment. They were examples of children attempting to describe their own identification.

Of course, if a child said, "I know I'm a girl because girls wear dresses and I like dresses", that would tell us something quite different. It would suggest that their identification was being explained through a gender stereotype, and that would be important to explore.

But when a child says, "I just know I'm a girl", we shouldn't automatically assume there's some unarticulated belief about dresses, toys or other characteristics behind that recognition. There may be underlying cognitive processes that the child simply cannot explain.

Now, your second question is how the child comes to recognise that experience specifically as belonging to the category "girl".

And that brings us back to the original hypothetical about a child raised without human contact.

Would such a child know they were gender-incongruent? We don't know. They might experience some vague sense of disassociation from self ("something feels wrong, I just don't feel like me") or bodily incongruence or discomfort without understanding it. They might experience nothing identifiable at all. Without the concepts of male and female, boy and girl, they couldn't recognise or describe their experience in those terms.

But children ordinarily develop within a social world in which those categories are constantly used. They acquire the language and concepts through which they can understand and interpret their experiences.

In that social world, being called a boy might feel wrong or confusing, while being recognised as a girl feels right, or brings a sense of relief. Through repeated experiences of that kind, the child may come to recognise and describe their identification using the socially acquired concept "girl".

That doesn't require the child to know what being female feels like for other people. Nor does it require them to identify some characteristic that all girls share and consciously conclude that they possess it.

It requires the development of gender concepts and the possibility that underlying neurocognitive processes contribute to how the child experiences their own relationship to those categories.

Now, it's true that we don't currently know precisely what those underlying processes are, or how they work. That's a fundamental limitation in our understanding of the brain/ cognition, and our ability to observe how it works. It's an empirical question, not something I'm claiming to have settled.

But I think it's a mistake to assume that, unless a child can articulate some specific content or definition that explains their identification, there can be no underlying cognitive basis for it.

We routinely recognise things about ourselves through processes we cannot consciously describe.

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:51

Ok I really do have a shit tonne to do today, so if I don't respond to further questions, it's not because I'm dodging them, because I'm sinister, because I'm disingenuous, because I can't answer them, because I'm afraid of hard questions. It's because I really do have to get something done.

I'm sure these conversations will continue..

PlinketyplonkSlinketyslonk · 22/10/2026 09:52

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:51

Ok I really do have a shit tonne to do today, so if I don't respond to further questions, it's not because I'm dodging them, because I'm sinister, because I'm disingenuous, because I can't answer them, because I'm afraid of hard questions. It's because I really do have to get something done.

I'm sure these conversations will continue..

The questions will still be here when you're less busy. You can come back then.

MyAmpleSheep · 22/10/2026 09:55

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 07:20

You’re still conflating several entirely different things.

Of course children learn about their anatomy, physical development and reproduction, and begin making connections between them. I’ve never suggested otherwise.

What I’ve said is that a child’s understanding of herself as a girl isn’t necessarily derived from her knowledge of her genital. Children typically begin identifying themselves as boys or girls before they have any meaningful understanding of anatomical sex differences, reproductive biology, or what their bodies may eventually be capable of doing. In other words, their sense of themselves as boys or girls can precede their understanding of the physical characteristics that distinguish male and female bodies. This is entirely developmentally normal. As a teacher you should be able to understand that:

And what exactly is the difficulty with your hypothetical trans child? If she asks whether she’ll be able to become pregnant when she’s older, she can be given an honest, age-appropriate explanation that she won’t. Just as we can explain to any child that not all women can become pregnant or give birth.

Why do you imagine that recognising a child’s gender identity requires misleading them about their anatomy or reproductive capacities? These are distinct things, and it’s perfectly possible to acknowledge both.

Children typically begin identifying themselves as boys or girls before they have any meaningful understanding of anatomical sex differences

I don’t think that’s the case when they have opposite sex siblings. It’s universal to have to explain to them both why one has a penis and the other doesn’t. Probably around the age of two. From memory, Dr. Spock’s book of childcare (published 1946) said it was very important to do so early on because girls would assume they once had a penis and it was lost, and boys would develop a phobia about losing theirs. Who knew this where we’d end up!

Gender identity which is a persons recognition of self in relation to the categories male and female, doest entail a conscious comparison of self against a set of criteria, on insight into the subjective experience of others. That's not how it works.

Alrighty, how does it work, then?

We still don’t have an answer to the question what does a four year old boy understand by the word “girl” When he claims to be one.

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Imdunfer · 22/10/2026 10:04

And at the end of the day when this magic fairy dust has arrived and explained to us all how a child is born the opposite sex to his genetics, he will still have the influence of only one X chromosome when he should have two and the influence of the Y chromosome when he should have none.

So in what way other than "feeling female", which these days does not even include being sexually attracted to what you believe is the opposite sex to you, will that boy grow up to be different from a man who takes HRT?

MyAmpleSheep · 22/10/2026 10:08

Now that I think about it, the absence of mention of the phenomenon of children claiming to be the other sex in Dr Spock really speaks against the “there have always been trans people” theory. It’s exactly the sort of thing he would have written about, in 1946.

Adults, maybe, but not young children. That’s a new phenomenon.

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Pingponghavoc · 22/10/2026 10:09

Thats a lots of words to describe a theory with nothing to back it up.

Its not just children who can't articulate it, adults cannot either. Its not just terfs who are confused, no one can actually make the link between wanting or believing to being the opposite sex to it being innate.

Also, theres no clear divide between wanting or believing/is. A small child might make a link between what boy's and girls can do. He wouldn't know the implications of saying he is a girl, over he wants to be a girl, over why can girls do x when I cant?

BackToLurk · 22/10/2026 10:30

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:49

OK, thank you. That helps clarify what you're asking, and I think it's a genuinely interesting question.

First, again, what I'm referring to as gender identity is our recognition of ourselves in relation to sex categories such as male and female, boy and girl. For most people, that recognition corresponds to their physical sex, so it's completely unremarkable. It doesn't necessarily feel like anything. It's simply something they know about themselves.

But that's true of a great deal of human cognition.

Consider again the example of recognising your own arm. What does recognising that your arm belongs to your body actually feel like? I couldn't tell you. You might say you know it's yours because you can see it or feel it, but as we've discussed, neurological conditions such as somatoparaphrenia demonstrate that bodily ownership isn't simply derived from those sensations. Some patients can see and feel their arm but don't recognise it as their own. Conversely, someone can lose movement or sensation in a limb without losing their recognition of it as part of their body.

The point is that much of our cognition happens automatically, through processes operating outside conscious awareness. We experience the result of those processes without necessarily having direct conscious access to how the brain produces it.

So if I asked you what recognising yourself as a woman feels like, you might reasonably answer that it doesn't feel like anything. You simply know you're a woman. You wouldn't necessarily be able to describe some distinctive internal sensation of femaleness.

And this is what I'm suggesting is also happening when a young gender-incongruent child identifies as a girl or boy.

When researchers and interviewers ask young children how they know, they give simple answers: "I just am", "I felt it inside", "my body feels it", "on the outside I'm a girl, but inside my head I know I'm a boy".
People objected and got very indignant when I previously shared examples like these because they felt the answers were insufficient. But insufficient for what? They weren't intended to establish whether a child should receive medical treatment. They were examples of children attempting to describe their own identification.

Of course, if a child said, "I know I'm a girl because girls wear dresses and I like dresses", that would tell us something quite different. It would suggest that their identification was being explained through a gender stereotype, and that would be important to explore.

But when a child says, "I just know I'm a girl", we shouldn't automatically assume there's some unarticulated belief about dresses, toys or other characteristics behind that recognition. There may be underlying cognitive processes that the child simply cannot explain.

Now, your second question is how the child comes to recognise that experience specifically as belonging to the category "girl".

And that brings us back to the original hypothetical about a child raised without human contact.

Would such a child know they were gender-incongruent? We don't know. They might experience some vague sense of disassociation from self ("something feels wrong, I just don't feel like me") or bodily incongruence or discomfort without understanding it. They might experience nothing identifiable at all. Without the concepts of male and female, boy and girl, they couldn't recognise or describe their experience in those terms.

But children ordinarily develop within a social world in which those categories are constantly used. They acquire the language and concepts through which they can understand and interpret their experiences.

In that social world, being called a boy might feel wrong or confusing, while being recognised as a girl feels right, or brings a sense of relief. Through repeated experiences of that kind, the child may come to recognise and describe their identification using the socially acquired concept "girl".

That doesn't require the child to know what being female feels like for other people. Nor does it require them to identify some characteristic that all girls share and consciously conclude that they possess it.

It requires the development of gender concepts and the possibility that underlying neurocognitive processes contribute to how the child experiences their own relationship to those categories.

Now, it's true that we don't currently know precisely what those underlying processes are, or how they work. That's a fundamental limitation in our understanding of the brain/ cognition, and our ability to observe how it works. It's an empirical question, not something I'm claiming to have settled.

But I think it's a mistake to assume that, unless a child can articulate some specific content or definition that explains their identification, there can be no underlying cognitive basis for it.

We routinely recognise things about ourselves through processes we cannot consciously describe.

Again, I'm not sure what your example of somatoparaphrenia is set to illustrate. Somatoparaphrenia is a delusion. You seem to be offering it as an example of a contrast with 'normal' cognition, where an individual automatically 'knows' their limbs are theirs.

In which case the parallel would be as follows. 'Normally' a human just automatically 'knows' what sex they are. However, in some cases they have the delusion that they aren't the sex they are. Rather than challenge or get to the root of this delusion, you suggest affirming it.

BackToLurk · 22/10/2026 10:31

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:51

Ok I really do have a shit tonne to do today, so if I don't respond to further questions, it's not because I'm dodging them, because I'm sinister, because I'm disingenuous, because I can't answer them, because I'm afraid of hard questions. It's because I really do have to get something done.

I'm sure these conversations will continue..

...because your shift is over.

ArabellaScott · 22/10/2026 10:47

Lacksie · 22/10/2026 09:49

OK, thank you. That helps clarify what you're asking, and I think it's a genuinely interesting question.

First, again, what I'm referring to as gender identity is our recognition of ourselves in relation to sex categories such as male and female, boy and girl. For most people, that recognition corresponds to their physical sex, so it's completely unremarkable. It doesn't necessarily feel like anything. It's simply something they know about themselves.

But that's true of a great deal of human cognition.

Consider again the example of recognising your own arm. What does recognising that your arm belongs to your body actually feel like? I couldn't tell you. You might say you know it's yours because you can see it or feel it, but as we've discussed, neurological conditions such as somatoparaphrenia demonstrate that bodily ownership isn't simply derived from those sensations. Some patients can see and feel their arm but don't recognise it as their own. Conversely, someone can lose movement or sensation in a limb without losing their recognition of it as part of their body.

The point is that much of our cognition happens automatically, through processes operating outside conscious awareness. We experience the result of those processes without necessarily having direct conscious access to how the brain produces it.

So if I asked you what recognising yourself as a woman feels like, you might reasonably answer that it doesn't feel like anything. You simply know you're a woman. You wouldn't necessarily be able to describe some distinctive internal sensation of femaleness.

And this is what I'm suggesting is also happening when a young gender-incongruent child identifies as a girl or boy.

When researchers and interviewers ask young children how they know, they give simple answers: "I just am", "I felt it inside", "my body feels it", "on the outside I'm a girl, but inside my head I know I'm a boy".
People objected and got very indignant when I previously shared examples like these because they felt the answers were insufficient. But insufficient for what? They weren't intended to establish whether a child should receive medical treatment. They were examples of children attempting to describe their own identification.

Of course, if a child said, "I know I'm a girl because girls wear dresses and I like dresses", that would tell us something quite different. It would suggest that their identification was being explained through a gender stereotype, and that would be important to explore.

But when a child says, "I just know I'm a girl", we shouldn't automatically assume there's some unarticulated belief about dresses, toys or other characteristics behind that recognition. There may be underlying cognitive processes that the child simply cannot explain.

Now, your second question is how the child comes to recognise that experience specifically as belonging to the category "girl".

And that brings us back to the original hypothetical about a child raised without human contact.

Would such a child know they were gender-incongruent? We don't know. They might experience some vague sense of disassociation from self ("something feels wrong, I just don't feel like me") or bodily incongruence or discomfort without understanding it. They might experience nothing identifiable at all. Without the concepts of male and female, boy and girl, they couldn't recognise or describe their experience in those terms.

But children ordinarily develop within a social world in which those categories are constantly used. They acquire the language and concepts through which they can understand and interpret their experiences.

In that social world, being called a boy might feel wrong or confusing, while being recognised as a girl feels right, or brings a sense of relief. Through repeated experiences of that kind, the child may come to recognise and describe their identification using the socially acquired concept "girl".

That doesn't require the child to know what being female feels like for other people. Nor does it require them to identify some characteristic that all girls share and consciously conclude that they possess it.

It requires the development of gender concepts and the possibility that underlying neurocognitive processes contribute to how the child experiences their own relationship to those categories.

Now, it's true that we don't currently know precisely what those underlying processes are, or how they work. That's a fundamental limitation in our understanding of the brain/ cognition, and our ability to observe how it works. It's an empirical question, not something I'm claiming to have settled.

But I think it's a mistake to assume that, unless a child can articulate some specific content or definition that explains their identification, there can be no underlying cognitive basis for it.

We routinely recognise things about ourselves through processes we cannot consciously describe.

But that still doesn't answer my question. You've explained that unconscious processes might influence a child's identification, and acknowledged that we don't know what those processes are.

What you haven't explained is how or why the child identifies that experience specifically as being a girl, rather than simply not wanting to be a boy. That's the distinction I've been asking about throughout.

Effectively youre saying there may or may not be a process we dont understand that leads to a child declaring themselves to be a boy or a girl. Fine. Could you explain on what basis we would assign any weight to this mysterious unexplained assertion?

ArabellaScott · 22/10/2026 10:49

Otherwise its a lot of text to say 'we dont know'.

Are you suggesting strength of feeling points to something? A child's assertion is generally not given very much weight and certainly does not supersede reality.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt2 · 22/10/2026 10:56

@ArabellaScott Otherwise its a lot of text to say 'we dont know'.

Which is a position that @Lacksie has gradually retreated to over the lifespan of the thread.

As we have stated countless times, a child who is learning about the language of gender concepts is also a child who is learning about the expectations, stereotypes, norms and behaviours that their parents and the surrounding culture associate with those concepts. They are inseperable.

BlueLegume · 22/10/2026 10:56

A lot of the trans movement has benefited from woke and be kind mantras. In fact it has exploited them.

If we all demanded to be accepted as to how we feel the world would screech to a halt.

If I am honest I think weak minded people have been enabled and boldened to be lazy or make them seem special with all the labels now available. I was st the GP surgery this week and the screen had rolling adverts about various illnesses such as prostate and it was saying if you a man, non binary or a trans woman get checked. Talk about validation.

We have allowed the guard rails to fall off society.

Datun · 22/10/2026 11:01

Except children do tell us why they think they're the opposite sex. They want to play with girls toys, they want long hair, they want to wear a tutu. Or they don't like football, they think boys are dirty, etc.

Lacksie goes on to say that they only pursue these stereotypes once they feel like the opposite sex, because they think they should apply to them.

Well that theory also falls apart, because there are plenty of adult TIMs who are totally stereotypically male. There are also numerous adult men who say they did it for the sex, they did it because of porn.

How come one of the cornerstones of male transgenderism is misogyny? Many of these men don't just have no affinity for women, they loathe them. You would think someone who felt with every fibre of their being that they should be female, would have some kind of understanding of women in general. But no.

And how the fuck does that sit with the fact that a significant proportion of these children are looked after children, and another significant proportion have a sex offender for a parent?

Where is the innate, neurological issue that has resulted in that?

Datun · 22/10/2026 11:03

Pingponghavoc · 22/10/2026 09:46

Teaching four year olds, or letting them believe, that a man could be a woman because of gender identity goes against so much of parents instincts to keep their children safer.

If a boy believe he was a girl because of gender identity, a whole layer of safeguarding has been blown apart. Children wouldn't think it odd if a man was somewhere he shouldn't be.

If a boy believe he was a girl because of gender identity, a whole layer of safeguarding has been blown apart. Children wouldn't think it odd if a man was somewhere he shouldn't be.

what's that phrase? oh yes, this is a feature, not a bug.

JanesLittleGirl · 22/10/2026 11:06

A picture is worth a thousand words:

The kind of “girl” that a boy who identifies as a girl thinks he is
NotBadConsidering · 22/10/2026 11:06

ArabellaScott · 22/10/2026 10:49

Otherwise its a lot of text to say 'we dont know'.

Are you suggesting strength of feeling points to something? A child's assertion is generally not given very much weight and certainly does not supersede reality.

Exactly. It has always been the case that a child’s unchallenged declared identity is enough to initiate treatment. Because Queer Theory dictates a person can be what they declare themselves to be. And by proxy, a child can too.

This is why they need the smokescreen of a “gender dysphoria” diagnosis. It provides a layer of authenticity to the reason for treatment that protects the real reason.

So you push through that and you get the concept of “innate gender identity” which provides a layer of authenticity to the reason for treatment that protects the real reason.

Finally, you push through that, and you’re left with the reason children are sterilised is because…we don’t know. It’s just something to not be enquired about too much, or it will be figured out later.

Grown up people, with qualifications and everything, follow this line of thinking. The lack of intellectual curiosity or self-examination of their own actions is astounding. There is no excuse for it. It is behaviour that has led to immeasurable harm to children and they need to be held to account.

HartSeven · 22/10/2026 11:09

I'm guessing the reason this stream of baseless assertions can't ever end is that the goal is not to convince the reality-based community, who won't ever buy it, but for the person making these assertions to convince themselves. That's the only point I can see. Bit of a shame to have to force yourself to spend so much time on a doomed quest, but as nobody at all really believes in trans children, the people who desperately want to believe just have to keep on trying to make it make sense.

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