The kind of “girl” that a boy who identifies as a girl thinks he is

[MyAmpleSheep]

How do people who celebrate the transitioning of five year old children know that the kind of girl a boy who identities as a “girl” identifies as is the same kind of girl that a girl who identifies as a “girl” is?

Other than than from what he sees girls doing, how can a boy “know” what being a girl is, to be sure he is one?

is it posited that there is an innate sense of boy:girl that exists outside of the experience of seeing and being the presence of others?

If a child was “raised by wolves”, could they be trans? If that child had a male body and reached the age of 20 never having seen or met or known of the existence of women is it possible for them to grow up with dysphoria? When eventually discovering the other sex would they suddenly recognize “they had been born in the wrong body”?

And isn't it strange that if you have that condition it's illegal to cut off the offending body part, unless that a penis or testicles or breasts, when it's fair game?

In my head, Lacksie has to take the piece of paper off their forehead and read it before they can answer this

There's six pages left of the thread. Plenty of space for someone, anyone, to explain what innate 'gender identity' is.

What about when you stand up and the chair no longer appears to be attached to your body?

Or is there a different meaning to the word 'attached' that I haven't understood in the last 60 odd years?

I have read the thread but I haven't seen an explanation which is why I asked. We are not all looking to attack. I do get frustrated when nobody seems willing to answer my question - here or IRL - and are often quite aggressive in not answering, and yet I am expected to be supportive of these individuals. It feels unbalanced to me.
I must nod along and must never ask questions, is that the ask?

There is also a group of people who are heavily invested in this area because of their doctorates and their choice of employment.

I can imagine there will be many who in the future will need to review their position, but it will take courage to do so after what they supported and the outcomes their support resulted in.

Sir Robert Winston - worth a listen on Seen In Journalism podcast SEENINJOURNALISM'S SUBSTACK
No Fear No Favour: Professor Robert Winston
Episode 14: Lord Robert Winston: On Sex, Science, Silence, and the Cost of Uncomfortable Truths
SEENINJOURNALISM
10 JAN 2026 AT 16:27

Sex, gender, and scientific reality
Professor Winston explains — calmly and rigorously — why biological sex is written into every cell of the body, why chromosomes matter, and why medicine must be rooted in diagnosis and evidence rather than belief. He also addresses the risks of medical intervention without long-term data, particularly for children

Agree. I also think the publishing industry may need to take a long hard look at what they are churning out to children and young people. Totally entrenched in LGBTQIA+ all in rainbow colours etc with ‘My First Pride” being part of a festivals collection - can’t say it would be on my list for a child and if it was I would be considering if my lifestyle choices were appropriate for the child.

When the definition of gender identity disorder was introduced, it was seen as a psychiatric condition. People understood that they were one sex, but wanted to behave and be treated as the other, to the point it caused them distress or wanted surgery.

The need to be in women's spaces means that it cannot be a psychological problem but one of definition - the adult man is a woman.

Therefore sex/gender becomes gender identity we instinctively know.

The theory came before any discovery. Thats why we have confusing explanations, we are trying to explain it without any actual facts to back up claims.

There is no explanation. Lacksie says that the explanation as to how a 4 year old boy child knows he was born a girl is going to be discovered by an Einstein level social scientist with a lightening bolt of understanding based on nothing that we already know about how children are influenced by society and the people around them at an unknown future date.

And until then we must all believe that they "just do".

Yes, indeed. (Who could also be trans, of course).

The depatholgising then opened the flood gates for what we are now experiencing

And we don’t amputate their arm, because they are mistaken. Just like a boy who thinks he’s a girl is mistaken. That mistake may be a result of neuro cognitive processes, it may not, it may be deeply felt. It is still a mistake.

The surgeon who amputated his own limbs was prosecuted…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yvpx20le2o

It’s such an odd angle. “I shall demonstrate that children know their ‘true gender’ by using an example of people who are demonstrably wrong about what they believe to be true”.

. This question has been asked and answered multiple times, at length:

“If a 4-year-old boy says he feels he is a girl, how does he know what being a girl feels like?”

You might choose not to understand the response, you might genuinely struggle to understand it, or you might simply disagree with it. But repeatedly pretending the question hasn’t been addressed is thoroughly disingenuous. I'm over it.

@Lacksie then start a thread of your own clearly explaining what you believe.

Just quoting myself here PlinketyplonkSlinketyslonk

You won't get an answer other than 'they just know'. Alongside numerous assertions that they've already explained.

Twenty years ago, if a very young boy claimed he was a girl, we'd correct him or assume he was just confused.

No one would ask a four year old if they were a boy or girl and assume they were talking about gender identity. A boy is male and going to grow up to be a man, and is told constantly he is a boy.

A parent now assuming that a small child is speaking of their gender identity is odd because its something that they would never have considered themselves. For parents with children with big age gaps it would be even stranger - the oldest is a girl because of sex, the youngest a girl because of gender identity?

Theories change and words can change definition, but the idea that children have always known about gender identity and most 'forget' as they get older is an interesting concept. Only trans people and their allies remember, and even they didn't 20 years ago?

It has, indeed, been asked many times. You have responded many times generally saying something along the lines of "If you don't get it, you're not as smart as me", although you use more words. That is not answering the question, it is deflection. It's unfortunate that you continue to push this instead of simply answering the question once.

Straight up, you haven't answered it.

This is completely false. I've explained it extensively . If you feel the explanation doesn't properly address the question you need to identify what is missing and ask specific follow up. Not just ask thr same question again and pretend it hadn't been answered. That is thoroughly disingenuous

I understand your argument that a child doesn't need to know how other people experience being male or female to recognise their own internal experience. But what is the content of that experience, and by what mechanism does the child recognise it specifically as belonging to the opposite sex? You have explained why comparison with others isn't necessary, but not how the experience conveys information about sex in the first place.

Well said @PlinketyplonkSlinketyslonk

What I notice on here and in life is that many woke/liberal/be kind people cannot make their point concisely. It is always a round the houses word salad whilst not really saying much of substance.

I am really tired of it. Same with anything to do with trans rights. What rights do they not have? No one has told me yet other than telling me they should have the right to affirming care even though it is mutilation the moment a surgeon makes an incision.

Would we be praising doctors for giving anorexics weight loss drugs?