Stephen King's response to Rowling on sex and gender discussions

[ThisWildDreamer]

Stephen King was asked a simple question - are trans women women? - and when he said yes, one of the most wealthy writers in the world turned on him.

J.K. Rowling had just publicly showered him with praise. Within hours of his answer, she deleted it and, in King's words, "sorta blocked" him.

King is one of the most famous novelists alive, and he didn't walk it back or cast himself as the victim. He said plainly that nobody had cancelled Rowling - he just thought she was wrong. He turns 79 today, still saying it.

He could have kept the friend and stayed quiet. He said yes instead.

I swear ChoppingGoodGretelNorthernBaileyHowseIcelandicnights has been making the same argument for the better part of a year now and it's still as nonsensical and incoherent as ever.

Nope. You don’t understand the law.

There is no situation where a legitimate aim would be answered by a group based on ‘gender identity.’

You can have single sex provision or unisex provision. Those are the options.

She deleted praise of something for sticking up with her because she later discovered he didn't agree with her on one singular issue. But meanwhile she's spent years taking potshots at people for daring to disagree with her.

The right to a belief. As in the right not to be discriminated against for your political or religious beliefs would be examples.

Didn't JKR and King have some kind of playful back and forth banter last year or something like that?

She deleted a tweet. That is allowed in this free world of ours. Move on

God so much barrel scraping tonight. wtf is wrong with people?

Seriously, a deleted tweet is not a big deal. He's dealt with worse (and madder) stuff.

You can believe what you want.

You don’t have any rights to force others to collude with your beliefs when they have no factual basis

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'Trans women are women' is just short hand for trans women are a sub category of women as a result of social associations.

Social associations are a fact. Sorry reality hurts your feelings.

"Associations" mmm hmmmm....

Howse that?

Dudes with boobs are still men.

So you don't know what 'trans woman' means?

You walked straight into that one…

By its very nature an association is subjective.

oh and guess what, humans still can’t change sex

So not what you actually claimed happened? How bizarre that you can't just admit you were wrong and move on, instead you must keep arguing. Very odd behaviour.

Can we get that on a banner?

Another name change, the same old empty arguments

At least bring something new along with your new name

Edited to clarify: that was to Howseitgoin

You have a right to believe any kind of daftness that appeals to you.

It only becomes a protected belief if it meets Grainger criteria. Genderist belief has never been tested. GC beliefs have & passed.

I suspect Genderism would not qualify, because the criteria include being internally consistent (eg using sex & gender as synonyms & at the same time claiming they’re different), & don't infringe the rights of others.

And what you cannot do is impose your beliefs on others. A flat earther can’t complain if the Royal Geographic Society won’t employ them - or an airline won’t let them fly a plane.

And of course, every who disagrees back at JKR has shown her nothing but courtesy, decorum and good will. No death threats or anything.
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The word 'trans' has ubiquitous understanding in modern culture. Deal with it.

I really cannot imagine how it possible to be so worked up about someone deleting a tweet, but you do you.

They did.

About JKR giving the square root of fuck all.

King thought that it should be fuck all squared.

Both are right (I think) but I prefer the square root of fuck all meaning an infinitesimal amount of fucks given.

Grainger criteria applies exclusively to philosophical or religious beliefs. Under the UK EA gender/sex is already protected as its own standalone characteristic ("sex" or "gender reassignment") and does not need to satisfy these criteria.

Actually no it hasn’t, there have been substantial issues with people understanding it in surveys and so on.

And humans still can’t change sex