Hate crime, England and Wales, year ending March 2025

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I haven't read this is detail but did notice that in the list of different forms of hate crime that transgender has the lowest figures.

And wonder, had the male establishment allowed it, what the number of hate crimes against women would have been recorded.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025

Clearly you didn’t read the rest of my post. The absolute number for combined “violence with injury” and “violence without injury” the only categories that aren’t ambiguous and open to trans activists’ vexatious complaints, has fallen from 940 to 761 (not 800 as I originally calculated), which is actually a drop in 19% of these categories as an absolute number.

19% fewer trans people has a violent hate crime committed against them in the year ending 2025. Again, this is amazing!

HTH.

So you are now pivoting from claiming the hate crimes were only 'hurty words' & not violent to a reduction.

Makes sense after embarrassing yourself.

No, I haven’t pivoted at all! I am glad you can see the difference!

The entire category of hate crimes against people who say they’re trans includes hurty word offences. Of course they’re going to go down now that police have seen sense.

So it’s useful to look at more objective categories, like violent crimes. And the numbers show that even those crime went down by a significant percentage! Isn’t this wonderful?

I truly hope the decrease reflects reality, but unfortunately, I wouldn’t be surprised if people have stopped bothering to report because they know nothing will be done. Why do you think there was a decrease?

Hello WorldGoesAround, welcome to Mumsnet. I don’t engage with brand new posters, particularly on threads with pp who post the same nonsense under different names. You will find a lot of good threads on this forum to help answer your question. I’m sure you and Northernlightsss can have a discussion amongst yourselves about how it’s all down to lack of reporting, not things being actually better.

Good luck!

See https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/announcements/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2026

That reflects how few trans people there are.

They're a tiny minority.

Yet look how many of them report violence.

You have to compare crime levels to the proportion of the population ( of trans people) for it to make sense. And then compare that to crime levels in the proportion of the population for the other reported groups.

They do that for the hate crimes against different religions, for example, otherwise you’d fail to notice that hate crimes against Jews are wildly disproportionate to their % of the population ( which is about 0.5%)

I’m a massive Terf but I do think using stats ( or any facts) correctly is important. Anyone who can’t make their case honestly is not making their case.

Statistics show that there are more murderers that says they are 'trans' than people murdered who are reported to be 'trans' which by the logic in here means there is an epidemic of people who say they are 'trans' who murder people.

Or does it not work that way?

It's not violence is it?

It will mainly be misgendering.

Transgender hate crimes fell by 11% over the last year, to 3,809 offences, the second consecutive annual fall. There were falls in malicious communication offences (down 245), following the HOCR changes, criminal damage (down 82) and public order (down 96).

So the actual government report shows that 'malicious communication offences ' (a trans person noticing someone being misgendered online) is clearly one of the biggest categories.

When you actually look more closely at any of the claims that trans people are vulnerable to 'crime' it turns out that the main 'crime' is always being misgendered.

But when you look at serious crimes, such as rape, sexual assault or murder, it turns out that transwomen are much more likely to be the perpetrator than the victim.

"Transgender people are often portrayed as especially vulnerable to violence, but estimating victimization rates is difficult because reliable population denominators are lacking. This paper proposes an alternative approach, comparing the ratio of transgender homicide victims to perpetrators. It analyzes all homicides involving transgender people in Britain from 2000 to 2025. Victims were outnumbered by perpetrators, even excluding those who declared a transgender identity after imprisonment. Almost all cases involved natal males identifying as transwomen. The victim-perpetrator ratio among these individuals closely resembles that for males overall and differs markedly from that for females. BBC News published more than four times as many articles on transgender victims as on perpetrators, contributing to perceptions of exceptional vulnerability."

Transgender Homicides in Britain, 2000-2025: Victims and Perpetrators by Michael Biggs, Ace North :: SSRN

Small demographic numbers are considered statistically insignificant to be able to make any meaningful conclusions.

But that’s showing the numbers are going down right? So that’s great for transpeople.

But are they going down in real terms or are trans people imprisoning themselves in their own homes out of fear?

In the 'olden times' when women were prisoners in their homes rape reports weren't as high too…..

What? Women were prisoners in their homes? When? What era was this? Are we talking all women or some women or what? Who was keeping them prisoner?

Lol? Ever heard of The Victorian era?

Of course the numbers are small so we need to take that into account, but we can say with some certainty that transwomen have been more likely to commit murder than to be victims of murder in the UK.

We know from the Census that transwomen are only 0.2% of the population at most.

Yet there are 151 transwomen in prison with convictions for rape or sexual assault in England & Wales alone. Last time I checked there were only 132 women in prison with convictions for sex offences.

So a transwoman is over 260 times more likely to be a convicted sex offender than a woman is.

Women were not,as a whole, prisoners in their homes in the Victorian era. Women were allowed out and about. Many worked outside the home so how did that work? Are you saying rape figures were down “in Victorian times”?

"Almost two thirds of transgender prisoners who identify as female are convicted sex offenders, new data has revealed.
Out of the 245 transwomen inmates who are legally recognised as male, a total of 151, or 62 per cent, had committed at least one sexual offence."

Almost two thirds of trans women prisoners are sex offenders

In comparison, only 16% of men in prison are sex offenders.

(Edited to remove link)

That's not how statistics work. And a criticism of gender affirming care research is the numbers of trans participants in studies is too small so you can't have it both ways.

In fact a UK high court agreed small numbers aren't statistically meaningful in the case to house trans women with women in prisons.

"Holroyde said the statistics were too low and had insufficient detail to provide a safe basis for conclusions, adding: “I can accept, at any rate for present purposes, that the unconditional introduction of a transgender woman into the general population of a women’s prison carries a statistically greater risk of sexual assault upon non-transgender prisoners than would be the case if a non-transgender woman were introduced. But that statistical conclusion takes no account of the risk assessment which the policies require.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jul/02/trans-women-with-sex-offence-convictions-in-female-jails-lawful-rules-judge

But, to paraphrase Christians, the SC judgement came down and changed all that 🤗

Women were all out unchaperoned 'on the town' were they? If you are attempting to to compare women's freedoms of the Victorian to today you are seriously grasping.

www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain/

Nevertheless, the UK High court (no less) deemed the data meaningless.

Loving the desperate attempts to cling to the narrative that trans people are both the most victimised members of society but are also not over represented in the sex offenders category.

@Northernlightsss can you suggest a better way of looking at the likelihood of a demographic being a convicted sex offender than looking at the actual crime stats?

There are 151 transwomen rapists and sex offenders in England & Wales alone - far more than the number of women who have been convicted of these offences.

It's not a flimsy study, it's people who have been convicted in a court of law.

How do you explain the disparity in behaviour?