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Hate crime, England and Wales, year ending March 2025

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IwantToRetire · 02/10/2026 19:38

I haven't read this is detail but did notice that in the list of different forms of hate crime that transgender has the lowest figures.

And wonder, had the male establishment allowed it, what the number of hate crimes against women would have been recorded.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025

Hate crime, England and Wales, year ending March 2025
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Shedmistress · 02/10/2026 19:42

Gosh so it has always been the lowest? Crikey. Whoda thunk it?

And this includes random 'Suits you sir's in the wild yes?

GreyskySexRealistsky · 02/10/2026 19:43

Good to see that category's figures have fallen for the most recent year.

Positive news.

I imagine it's being highlighted all over TQ+ social media...

MarieDeGournay · 02/10/2026 20:46

Thank you for the stats, and I agree that if hate crimes against women were included...

But is it surprising that crimes - or what passes for crimes in this context - against trans people are the least numerous, given that there are so few transpeople in the population?

I'm more surprised that the figure for disability is so low, I suspect that is due to low reporting/recording - with so many disabled people in the population, and a perception of a big increase in harassment and aggression towards disabled people, I'd expect the figure to be much higher
Disability hate crime: 'This is the worst I've experienced it'
Last December, in Brentford, Steven suddenly found himself surrounded by a large group of 14 to 15 year olds who started filming and laughing at him.
...
"The incidents have varied from moments of real unkindness to moments when I've felt physically threatened."
Steven has not reported any of the incidents to the police as he has no faith they will investigate.
"You just feel like you're going to become another statistic rather than that something will actually be done."

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 21:44

IwantToRetire · 02/10/2026 19:38

I haven't read this is detail but did notice that in the list of different forms of hate crime that transgender has the lowest figures.

And wonder, had the male establishment allowed it, what the number of hate crimes against women would have been recorded.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025/hate-crime-england-and-wales-year-ending-march-2025

Trans people are only 0.5% of the population so that their figures are lower than other demographics is hardly surprising. That they are dropping could also be a result of them reducing their visibility out of justified fear….which is hardly something to crow about.

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 21:53

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 21:44

Trans people are only 0.5% of the population so that their figures are lower than other demographics is hardly surprising. That they are dropping could also be a result of them reducing their visibility out of justified fear….which is hardly something to crow about.

Or, that transpeople are perfectly safe and are being allowed to live their GNC lives as they wish, even though they have to use facilities relevant to their sex? . Surely a win?

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 21:55

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 21:53

Or, that transpeople are perfectly safe and are being allowed to live their GNC lives as they wish, even though they have to use facilities relevant to their sex? . Surely a win?

The data speaks for itself so clearly not.

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 22:06

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 21:55

The data speaks for itself so clearly not.

But the figures are lower, therefore crimes have gone down. If they had gone up, the figures would be higher. That’s how stats work…. So Yay! Transpeople are safer. That’s great news.

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 22:09

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 22:06

But the figures are lower, therefore crimes have gone down. If they had gone up, the figures would be higher. That’s how stats work…. So Yay! Transpeople are safer. That’s great news.

As I already stated, crimes going down can also be a result of self selecting to abstain from attending public places so a slight reduction isn't necessarily an indication of 'less hate'.

But, yeah whatever gets you thru…

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 22:14

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 22:09

As I already stated, crimes going down can also be a result of self selecting to abstain from attending public places so a slight reduction isn't necessarily an indication of 'less hate'.

But, yeah whatever gets you thru…

Nah, be an optimist. Don’t be a Debbie downer and think the worst. I mean, how many transpeople have been killed in the UK this year? None. So that’s a good thing right? Can you imagine the figures if hate crimes against women were included?

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 22:22

Nah, be an optimist. Don’t be a Debbie downer and think the worst. I mean, how many transpeople have been killed in the UK this year? None.

Death isn't exclusively a hate crime nor have zero trans people been killed globally.

Here's an explanation of why sex & gender are excluded that includes practical challenges:

Why Sex and Gender Are Excluded
Official bodies and organizations have raised distinct legal and practical arguments against adding misogyny or sex-based categories to the hate crime framework:

  • Evidentiary and Prosecution Challenges: The Law Commission concluded that adding a sex or gender aggravator could make trials more complex. Prosecutors would carry an extra burden of proving that a specific crime—such as domestic abuse or sexual assault, which often happens behind closed doors—was explicitly motivated by hostility toward women as a group, potentially making convictions harder to secure. 1, 2, 3]
  • Risk of a Two-Tier System: Critics warn it could create inconsistencies where some domestic or sexual abuse cases are designated as misogynistic and others are not, depending on available evidence of hostility. Groups like Rape Crisis England & Wales have argued that violence against women is already inherently gendered, and trying to prove a separate layer of "hostility" misapprehends the nature of these crimes. 1, 2]
  • Alternative Approaches: Rather than adding an "add-on" hate crime aggravator, some sector advocates argue for standalone, comprehensive legislative frameworks designed to tackle violence against women and girls (VAWG) directly at its root, rather than relying on a hate crime model built for bias-motivated public incidents. 1]

Misogyny as a hate crime

In 2020 we submitted evidence to the Law Commission’s review of hate crime legislation, and expressed our view that violence against women and girls would not be better addressed through a hate crime framework, unless several issues within the criminal...

https://rapecrisis.org.uk/news/misogyny-as-a-hate-crime/

IwantToRetire · 02/10/2026 22:33

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 22:22

Nah, be an optimist. Don’t be a Debbie downer and think the worst. I mean, how many transpeople have been killed in the UK this year? None.

Death isn't exclusively a hate crime nor have zero trans people been killed globally.

Here's an explanation of why sex & gender are excluded that includes practical challenges:

Why Sex and Gender Are Excluded
Official bodies and organizations have raised distinct legal and practical arguments against adding misogyny or sex-based categories to the hate crime framework:

  • Evidentiary and Prosecution Challenges: The Law Commission concluded that adding a sex or gender aggravator could make trials more complex. Prosecutors would carry an extra burden of proving that a specific crime—such as domestic abuse or sexual assault, which often happens behind closed doors—was explicitly motivated by hostility toward women as a group, potentially making convictions harder to secure. 1, 2, 3]
  • Risk of a Two-Tier System: Critics warn it could create inconsistencies where some domestic or sexual abuse cases are designated as misogynistic and others are not, depending on available evidence of hostility. Groups like Rape Crisis England & Wales have argued that violence against women is already inherently gendered, and trying to prove a separate layer of "hostility" misapprehends the nature of these crimes. 1, 2]
  • Alternative Approaches: Rather than adding an "add-on" hate crime aggravator, some sector advocates argue for standalone, comprehensive legislative frameworks designed to tackle violence against women and girls (VAWG) directly at its root, rather than relying on a hate crime model built for bias-motivated public incidents. 1]

This is no longer true. And even if the list of potential Hate Crimes has not been updated, changes in 2026 mean that sex is taken into account.

... the Crime and Policing Act 2026 equalized the framework. Rather than using the politically charged and narrower term "misogyny," the law introduces the legally neutral characteristic of "hostility related to sex". This means:

  • Standalone Aggravated Charges: If a basic offense (like assault, criminal damage, or harassment) is motivated by hostility toward someone's sex, the perpetrator is charged with a specific, aggravated version of that crime.
  • Higher Maximum Penalties: These aggravated charges carry significantly higher maximum sentences than the standard offenses. For instance, a standard harassment charge carries a much lower maximum penalty than a sex-aggravated harassment charge.

And although happy to support Rape Crisis and others in their actual work, they do not speak for all women. And may well through their burden of daily support for women who are victims of male violence felt getting a case to court was hard enough, many many women voiced their opposition to not having sex as an aggravating factor.

And of course the problem is that hate crimes were assumed to be about oppressed minorities.

Fancy the UK or any other country having to have a law that recognised that over 50% of its citizens were victims of hate crimes based on biology.

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Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 22:43

But crimes in general for sex are not listed as hate crimes is the point & the reason they aren't is because hate crime laws typically require the prosecution to prove that an offender was specifically motivated by bias, hatred, or hostility toward a protected group. In domestic violence or sexual assault cases involving known parties, demonstrating an underlying ideological hostility rather than situational conflict or personal dynamics creates a high legal burden.

moto748e · 02/10/2026 22:46

I think everyone here understands perfectly well how the current legislation works.

NotBadConsidering · 02/10/2026 23:00

Death isn't exclusively a hate crime

Well let’s all remember that included in those numbers of “hate crimes” against trans people is people being convicted without their knowledge of saying hurty words towards trans people.

It would be interesting to break it down into what those actual crimes “motivated by hate” actually were and how many other people are there like Helen Joyce have a conviction recorded without even knowing about it.

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:02

NotBadConsidering · 02/10/2026 23:00

Death isn't exclusively a hate crime

Well let’s all remember that included in those numbers of “hate crimes” against trans people is people being convicted without their knowledge of saying hurty words towards trans people.

It would be interesting to break it down into what those actual crimes “motivated by hate” actually were and how many other people are there like Helen Joyce have a conviction recorded without even knowing about it.

Violent crimes are distinguished from non violent crimes in report if you bother to read it.

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 23:10

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:02

Violent crimes are distinguished from non violent crimes in report if you bother to read it.

But words are “literal violence” so would be recorded in violent crimes wouldn't they?

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:11

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 23:10

But words are “literal violence” so would be recorded in violent crimes wouldn't they?

Words aren't recorded as violence in police reports.

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 23:15

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:11

Words aren't recorded as violence in police reports.

So transpeople are lying when they say words are literal violence? Good to know.

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:19

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 23:15

So transpeople are lying when they say words are literal violence? Good to know.

That wasn't your initial claim. And no they aren't lying. See: Hate Speech & Real World Harm (including genocide)

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

Hate speech and real harm | United Nations

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

NotBadConsidering · 02/10/2026 23:20

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:02

Violent crimes are distinguished from non violent crimes in report if you bother to read it.

The link doesn’t differentiate clearly between which crimes were committed though. It does say this however (my bold):

Transgender hate crimes fell by 11% over the last year, to 3,809 offences, the second consecutive annual fall. There were falls in malicious communication offences (down 245), following the HOCR changes, criminal damage (down 82) and public order (down 96).

So there’s been a fall in trans “hate crimes” once police stopped charging people for hurty words.

Colour me surprised 🙄

Rollingpinofdoom · 02/10/2026 23:27

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:19

That wasn't your initial claim. And no they aren't lying. See: Hate Speech & Real World Harm (including genocide)

https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/understanding-hate-speech/hate-speech-and-real-harm

Oh so words are violence.. gotcha. So all those TRA issuing rape threats and death threats to women ARE violent misogynistic women haters? I see. No wonder the police don’t want misogyny reported….

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:33

NotBadConsidering · 02/10/2026 23:20

The link doesn’t differentiate clearly between which crimes were committed though. It does say this however (my bold):

Transgender hate crimes fell by 11% over the last year, to 3,809 offences, the second consecutive annual fall. There were falls in malicious communication offences (down 245), following the HOCR changes, criminal damage (down 82) and public order (down 96).

So there’s been a fall in trans “hate crimes” once police stopped charging people for hurty words.

Colour me surprised 🙄

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Lol. Both these figures show violent crime breakdown for trans people.

Figure 2.6: Breakdown of hate crime by selected offence types and monitored strand, England and Wales, year ending March 2025

Figure 2.10: Percentage of selected offences resulting in charge/summons, by hate crime strand, offences recorded in the year ending March 2025, England and Wales, 35 forces

NotBadConsidering · 02/10/2026 23:53

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:33

Lol. Both these figures show violent crime breakdown for trans people.

Figure 2.6: Breakdown of hate crime by selected offence types and monitored strand, England and Wales, year ending March 2025

Figure 2.10: Percentage of selected offences resulting in charge/summons, by hate crime strand, offences recorded in the year ending March 2025, England and Wales, 35 forces

No they don’t. Because the categories are ridiculous.

“Criminal damage and arson”.

So how many of these so-called hate crimes were someone having their phone knocked out of their hand and how many were something actually being set on fire?

”Stalking and harassment”.

How many of these so-called hate crimes were actual stalking and how many were convictions for “harassment” which is what was recorded against Helen Joyce’s name for tweeting?

But the violent crime (with and without injury) percentage has stayed the same, 21% in both 2024 and 2025.

Which means in the year ending 2024, 940 violent “hate crimes” were committed against people who say they’re trans, and this was down to 800 in the year ending 2025, a 15% drop! This is fantastic news.

Northernlightsss · 02/10/2026 23:58

NotBadConsidering · 02/10/2026 23:53

No they don’t. Because the categories are ridiculous.

“Criminal damage and arson”.

So how many of these so-called hate crimes were someone having their phone knocked out of their hand and how many were something actually being set on fire?

”Stalking and harassment”.

How many of these so-called hate crimes were actual stalking and how many were convictions for “harassment” which is what was recorded against Helen Joyce’s name for tweeting?

But the violent crime (with and without injury) percentage has stayed the same, 21% in both 2024 and 2025.

Which means in the year ending 2024, 940 violent “hate crimes” were committed against people who say they’re trans, and this was down to 800 in the year ending 2025, a 15% drop! This is fantastic news.

What part of "VIOLENCE WITH INJURY" don't you get? Or are you wilfully ignoring that data on the graph.

Thingybob · 02/10/2026 23:58

Those figures were published almost a year ago meaning we are likely to get the March 2026 update within in the next week.

It might be worth keeping an eye on that site as I don't think it will make the BBC news if the trans hate crime figures have fallen even lower.

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