Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #66

[nauticant]

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.
The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings.

There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

Thread 65: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583663-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-65 29 September 2026 to 30 September 2026

Thank you all for the c and ps, discussion and hamster sidequests.

Coming attractions.....
Tomorrow there is a pre-trial hearing in Gallagher vs the Tavistock. From 10 am for 2-3 hours probably.

Next week - a 3 week banger. Keep an eye on TT.

So how's this going for them?

https://x.com/theRCN/status/1856970438553022898

When reality eventually prevails how will I fill my days?

Thank you nauticant and all the c&p'ers and the rest of the commentators.

I have on past occasions shouted at the screen 'Noooooo Naomi! don't say that say this! and a few minutes later snap! the trap shuts on the unsuspecting witness....
I've learnt that she operates many levels above me, and now I tend to trust her judgement.

Which is not the same as saying she's always right, she's not infallible, but I've learnt that what I think is a wrong turning is often a clever manoeuvre, too clever for me to spot

So if she picked on 'eunuch ID', she had her reasons, I reckon.

Perhaps the correct response to a child who arrives at hospital claiming to be eunuch gender might be to identify the adults around them and immediately report them to the police.

So if she picked on 'eunuch ID', she had her reasons, I reckon.

As PP have said the word paedophile has got too much baggage. Highlighting 'eunuch ID' shows both the preposterous nature of GI & that the RCN are totally captured when their witnesses just nod along & agree with children claiming 'eunuch ID'.

I would really like the government to just fucking say. Women are biological women. Men are biological men. Do not use the facilities or other single-sex services that are not for your sex. If you do not wish to use the single-sex services for your sex, use the accessible facilities, or set up your own services.

This is the fucking law. It is not difficult. We will come down hard on anyone who questions this.

And men: no matter how you identify, stop being violent to women, stop raping women, stop demeaning women.

One of the unstated issues in this trial is the training that judges have had on the issues; may explain why a wider approach was needed.

Agreed, you could use the pedophile who shouted racial slurs etc.at and tried to assault Jennifer Melle but them you get mired in the details of the actual case (she wasn't talking to him, but he heard, etc)

Highlighting the plain lunacy of some of the things that RCN have committed to without using an actual case makes the point cleaner I think

oo, it wasn't quite unstated - there was a rather pointed "in the NHS, and indeed more widely as you will know" to the Judge (about how widespread GI ideas had been taught and accepted) from NC at one point.

Naomi's brain:

Can someone who Google's better than me help me with something.

Has the time to bring a claim at the ET just been extended?

I have learned that the fact that IANAL really matters here - it reminds me of how IANAphysiotherapist and it often seems to happen that I think I have injury X and treat it as such and then when I go to the physio he tells me I actually have injury Y and do these exercises instead and it clears up in 3 days flat. Expertise matters. That said...

I think (a) this case will be resoundingly lost by SP (b) it will not be appealed (c) that may well have been anticipated all along by SP's team, with "sunshine!" at least a strong secondary motivator. I disagree that a loss here will embolden unions to do over their GC members more thoroughly: I think "the process is the punishment" can work both ways, and even more, that actually people leading these organisations are not utterly stupid. Everybody really knows sex is real. "We don't want to end up in another tribunal like that one" may well motivate better behaviour, and serve as a reason people can give for behaving better, even if the tribunal is lost.

Very much looking forward to hearing proper legal commentary!

WPATH Standards of "Care":

Eunuch individuals are those assigned male at birth (AMAB) and wish to eliminate masculine physical features, masculine genitals, or genital functioning. They also include those whose testicles have been surgically removed or rendered
nonfunctional by chemical or physical means and who identify as eunuch. This identity-based definition for those who embrace the term eunuch does not include others, such as men who have been treated for advanced prostate cancer and reject the designation of eunuch. We focus here
on those who identify as eunuchs as part of the gender diverse umbrella.

As with other gender diverse individuals,
eunuchs may also seek castration to better align their bodies with their gender identity. As such, eunuch individuals are gender nonconforming individuals who have needs requiring medically necessary gender-affirming care.

Interesting... What are your reasons for thinking (a) and (b), out of interest?

I haven't any idea, as also IANAL!

I would prefer a TiM who had had his bits chopped off identifying as a Eunuch and not pretending that it made him a woman.

Well I certainly ID them as a Eunuch, and so much more. 😂

Yes.

As of today (1 October 2026)
If your problem happened on or after 1 October 2026
You have 6 months minus 1 day for most claims. Breach of contract claims in Scotland have a different time limit.
For example, you were paid the wrong amount on 1 October 2026. To work out your time limit, add on 6 calendar months then take off 1 day. Your time limit starts on 1 October 2026 and ends at 11:59pm on 31 March 2027.
Breach of contract claims in Scotland
In Scotland, the time limit for breach of contract claims will not change until 9 November 2026.
This means if the breach of contract is:

• before 9 November – you have 3 months minus 1 day
• on or after 9 November – you have 6 months minus 1 day

Before today (1 October 2026)
If your problem happened before 1 October 2026
You have either:

• 3 months minus 1 day – for most claims
• 6 months minus 1 day – for a few claims

For example, you were paid the wrong amount on 30 September 2026. To work out your time limit, add on 3 calendar months then take off 1 day. Your time limit starts on 30 September 2026 and ends at 11:59pm on 29 December 2026. You have 6 months minus 1 day for:

• statutory redundancy pay claims
• equal pay claims
• certain claims made against a trade union
• certain claims if you're a member of the armed forces

From https://www.acas.org.uk/employment-tribunal-time-limits

and apologies about not being able to C&P, my GP called about a referral and wanted to see me immediately.

Nothing to worrry about at all, but obviously I had to go.

💚🤍💜to @fanOfBen and @StSpiridian and @BettyBooper.

I think the case that Sandie suffered detriment wasn't strong, and as that rests on facts not law, an appeal wouldn't reconsider the things that matter. I think that's why NC spent so much time on proving that RCN was GI-ridden - that's where her case was strong. Sandie made (understandably, but unfortunately) errors that seem significant, in which I'd include

• losing an email that later turned up in her spam box
• most egregiously, stating that GT emailed her just to check in a couple of times, when in fact there were 11 emails and repeated attempts to set up a call (in fact, I wonder when SP's legal team learned the facts here)
• not agreeing to a call, even one where she'd follow up with an "As we discussed in our call" email.

It's unfair that claimants need to be absolutely accurate at all times and think three steps ahead, but they do.

Free Speech Nation did an excellent episode about The WPATH Files a few years ago. It's really shocking.

Here it is if you want to watch it

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These reduxx articles shed light on the eunuch stuff though not sure if N has read them

reduxx.info/exclusive-former-wpath-president-linked-to-multiple-pro-pedophilia-academics-and-activists-over-several-decades-previously-advocated-for-sex-offender-rights/

https://reduxx.info/nhs-scotland-apologizes-for-eunuch-gender-identity-document-leak/

Again, interesting.

I really think the original response from SF is quite pivotal.

If I had been SP and I had raised with my Union about being suspended for challenging a man in my changing room, and the man at the other end of the phone didn't immediately say WHAT???! That's outrageous!!!, I think I'd feel incredibly desperate, unsupported and confused.

So she seeks out help from elsewhere. Gets to Sex Matters, but then this means she's got independent legal advice. So then gets refused further legal advice from RCN.

The whole set-up from start to finish is a result of GI in-baked through NHS and RNC (I realise you probably agree!). So yeah, I think SP is right, but you may well be right about the outcome.