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Roxy Tickle is a man. I stand with Sall Grover.

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2026 18:18

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/breaking-news/giggle-for-girls-app-founder-loses-final-appeal-bid-in-landmark-trans-discrimination-case/news-story/7db773b0207192809214c498c8048e9

Sall. ❤

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EasternStandard · 10/09/2026 20:01

So where else would this apply? Changing rooms, prison cells?

BruachAbhann · 10/09/2026 20:12

I stand with Sall Grover 💜💚
What an amazing woman to be so steadfast in the face of this madness.

NotBadConsidering · 10/09/2026 20:55

Of course he’s a man. If he wasn’t, the court case wouldn’t even exist. The judgment proves he’s a man.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 10/09/2026 21:01

NotBadConsidering · 10/09/2026 20:55

Of course he’s a man. If he wasn’t, the court case wouldn’t even exist. The judgment proves he’s a man.

Excellent point!
Why is this so crystal clear to us, but somehow incomprehensible to those adjudicating on the case?

Sall Grover 💜💚

ArabellaScott · 10/09/2026 21:27

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/aug/05/transgender-woman-roxanne-tickle-treated-as-hostile-invader-when-joining-women-only-app-giggle-for-girls-court-hears-ntwnfb

'The court heard Tickle, who is from regional New South Wales, presented as a woman in an onboarding selfie she uploaded to the app, including by wearing a low-cut top and with her hair down.'

Women are not low cut tops, you fucks.

Transgender woman treated as ‘hostile invader’ when joining women-only app Giggle for Girls, court hears

CEO Sall Grover challenges earlier court finding and claims she did not know Roxanne Tickle was transgender

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/aug/05/transgender-woman-roxanne-tickle-treated-as-hostile-invader-when-joining-women-only-app-giggle-for-girls-court-hears-ntwnfb

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ArabellaScott · 10/09/2026 21:27

(article from last year, btw)

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LikeMyWhiskeySour · 10/09/2026 21:42

‘Roxanne’ Tickle is a man.

Sall 💜💚🤍

Catiette · 10/09/2026 21:49

I stand with Sall Grover.

Thank you for carrying the weight of this, Sall. It's been publicised globally, raising awareness. It's been put on the record, the full irrational cruelty of it. People have woken up and begun campaigning themselves - because of you.

Thank you for making a difference.

JellySaurus · 10/09/2026 21:57

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 10/09/2026 21:01

Excellent point!
Why is this so crystal clear to us, but somehow incomprehensible to those adjudicating on the case?

Sall Grover 💜💚

I don’t think they could find otherwise. According to Australian law he is a woman. According to Australian law he was discriminated against by not being allowed access to a service for women. The court has to apply the law. The fact that the law is a harebrained ass is outside the court’s remit.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 10/09/2026 21:58

Not very good at design, but...

The fact that the law is a harebrained ass is outside the court’s remit.
ed. should have added this to the Tshirt!

Roxy Tickle is a man. I stand with Sall Grover.
Roxy Tickle is a man. I stand with Sall Grover.
AimsAndObjectives · 10/09/2026 22:20

I know Aussies that live outside of Aus and a Brit who lives in Aus, and all agree that there remains a very nasty undercurrent of misogyny in the country, despite its liberal credentials.

Sall 💚💜

Iamnotalemming · 10/09/2026 22:46

Bloody hell. I stand with Sal, brave, articulate Sal for having the balls to say no, he is a man.

Treaclewell · 10/09/2026 22:57

Is it possible for Sal to take a leaf from pirate radio days and set up on a sovereign island state nearby? Not sure of the tech necessary. Pitcairn springs to mind as sufficiently stroppy.

mrshoho · 10/09/2026 23:10

Roxanne Tickle is a man. A biological male.

Dark days for Australia. If they can lie about biological facts and reality, what other lies are they telling.

Feel hurt on your behalf Sal Grover and stand with you.

keeptalkinghappytalk · 10/09/2026 23:28

Stay strong Sall.
your country has trashed women s rights in favour of predatory or fetishistic men.
You have fought and the tide will turn.

unwashedanddazed · 11/09/2026 00:00

Tickle knows he's a man, just as the rest of the world now knows it too.

I stand with Sall Grover. She doesn't deserve this for speaking the truth.

LoudBlueSeal · 11/09/2026 00:06

In 1902 Australia passed an act giving women the full rights to vote and run for election, the first in the world to do so.

This is an image of a banner created by Australian artist Dora Meeson and was first carried by Vida Goldstein and other Australian women in a march in London in 1908. The banner asks ‘Mother England’ to entrust women with the responsibility and the right to vote, as the Australian nation had done in 1902.

Times have changed....

banner for women voting rights 1908

https://digital-classroom.nma.gov.au/images/banner-encouraging-united-kingdom-give-women-vote-dora-meeson-coates-1908

Manxexile · 11/09/2026 00:42

JellySaurus · 10/09/2026 21:57

I don’t think they could find otherwise. According to Australian law he is a woman. According to Australian law he was discriminated against by not being allowed access to a service for women. The court has to apply the law. The fact that the law is a harebrained ass is outside the court’s remit.

This ^ is the problem.

It's not the fault of the Australian courts, it's the fault of Australian legislators who made the law.

My (probably mistaken) understanding is that whereas the UK Equality Act has separate protected characteristics of sex and gender, the corresponding Australian legislation does not, and sex and gender are treated as the same thing. So if you identify as female in Australia, that's what the law says you are.

Happy to be corrected by people who know better than me

( After the FWS case I seem to recall watching a webinar from the LSE where I think Ben Cooper mentioned this and said we were fortunate in the UK that Parliament had had the foresight to distinguish between the two)

moto748e · 11/09/2026 02:16

You think, how can this madness happen, and yet, it does. I’m sure Sall will carry on the fight, but what a grim warning to the rest of the world?

Walkden · 11/09/2026 02:55

"It's not the fault of the Australian courts, it's the fault of Australian legislators who made the law."

This. Given that "gender identity" is protected by Australian law this doesn't seem to be an error by the courts....

TanteRose · 11/09/2026 03:11

Sall 💚💜

SexIsReal · 11/09/2026 04:23

Manxexile · 11/09/2026 00:42

This ^ is the problem.

It's not the fault of the Australian courts, it's the fault of Australian legislators who made the law.

My (probably mistaken) understanding is that whereas the UK Equality Act has separate protected characteristics of sex and gender, the corresponding Australian legislation does not, and sex and gender are treated as the same thing. So if you identify as female in Australia, that's what the law says you are.

Happy to be corrected by people who know better than me

( After the FWS case I seem to recall watching a webinar from the LSE where I think Ben Cooper mentioned this and said we were fortunate in the UK that Parliament had had the foresight to distinguish between the two)

Yes this.

As devastating as it may be for Sall today - she’s exposed the absurdity of the law and the Judicary have no other option.

Force legislations to accept reality and accept their mistakes.

It is waking a nation - so well done Sal.

In the meantime start up an app for people who were female for first five years of life, or a group for people who have unteruses, or CY chromosomes or some other century that excludes men until such time as the law catches up.

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 07:19

Walkden · 11/09/2026 02:55

"It's not the fault of the Australian courts, it's the fault of Australian legislators who made the law."

This. Given that "gender identity" is protected by Australian law this doesn't seem to be an error by the courts....

Yes agree with this.

It must mean a man can have the same outcome in any situation be it a sports team or prison.

How can they distinguish anywhere?

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2026 07:25

EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 07:19

Yes agree with this.

It must mean a man can have the same outcome in any situation be it a sports team or prison.

How can they distinguish anywhere?

I assume they can't, which means women's rights are done. Everything is mixed sex. No single sex spaces or services at all.

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EasternStandard · 11/09/2026 07:59

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2026 07:25

I assume they can't, which means women's rights are done. Everything is mixed sex. No single sex spaces or services at all.

If you don’t let me change here, I’ll sue you.