Australian womens rights activists recieve death threats in the lead up to a Sydney Womens rights rally

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Sal Grover and Kirralee Smith, both recently fined ($100k and $95k) for misgendering men imposing on womens spaces, have recieved death threats from a range of transactivist organisations. Sal Grover, a single Mum, has pulled out. I don't blame her one bit. It is sickening that women exercising free speech in this country are subject to this bull sh*t. Kirralee has decided to proceed and both are Warriors. Let Women Speak events in Australia require (and tbf, recieve) considerable police presence in order to defend these (usually middle-aged) women from the "be kind" crowd, who have in the past been violent and are always abusive and disruptive. What Government boasts about having sex-parity with the party, and yet sides with Men who behave like this towards women asking for their rights? All of them, actually. In Australia our sex discrimination act was altered beneath the radar to remove the definition of women and men, and elevate gender identity, meaning that a man who identifies as a woman is for all purposes, a woman in law. This is what Sal and Kirralee are fighting for: a repeal of the changes. Our Prime Minister and his tribe of handmaidens call this a culture war. It is in fact a war on womanhood.
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This is par for the course for GretelNorthernBaileyHowse unfortunately.

Oh I read that as Great Northern Baileyhouse. Sounds like one of those interesting immersive tourist attractions where they recreate an archaic way of life that society in reality has long moved past.

That they are men is enough reason. Males are not female.

It is nonsense as well as totally unworkable to conduct an individual assessment every time a man wants to enter into a women only facility or space.

Women shouldn’t have to take every single case to court to prove disadvantage. That is supposed to be the entire point of a Sex Discrimination Act. The clue is meant to be in the name.

I don't know why you keep using the word 'if' when the debate has been settled. All major sporting competitions have conducted research and found that transwomen still have advantanges, which is why they have been banned.The science is settled.

Also if men want to get into women's sports then the onus is on them to show that cross-sex hormones can eliminate all male advantages, not us women. They are not entitled to our spaces.

She is working from the premise that transwomen are automatically entitled to women's spaces, and it is on us women to fight it legally to prove why they shouldn't be in there. She is a TRA (or maybe she is a transperson herself?)

I’m wondering if @Gretel346 is a man. This person doesn’t like women!

I’m wondering if is a man. This person doesn’t like women!

Statistics show that support for so-called "trans rights" it more popular amongst women than men.

I don't think she hates women, she has just brought into trans ideology

And can you hear yourself? As in Ireland these new laws revolving around assumed 'gender identity' were inserted before anyone much had a chance to consider their actual, real life implications. Though, as with Ireland, as time passes people will gradually wake up and begin to realise as they too become personally affected.

However, we make laws not purely on the basis of individual feelings and sensibilities, but on the basis of known impacts at a population level. The reason we have single sex exemptions, services and categories is because experience has already shown us why they are necessary, and because as a society we accord female people, dignity, integrity and a measure of respect for basic differences.

They certainly have no respect for the dignity of female people.

Don’t women see the harm trans ideology has on women’s rights?

Female people are being disadvantaged when any male person is prioritised over them in their own categories, in their own facilities or in their own protected spaces. Nobody can realistically do an assessment of every woman (who enters into a facility, a service or catgeory that is predicated on sex) and determine how she might feel or be "disadvantaged" by an unexpected/unwanted male being there. How on earth would you go about doing that?

So, what is the disadvantage for a man in being excluded from female only facilities or categories; and why should his feelings of discomfort carry more weight?

We do live in the 'real world' and we understand that the reason that single sex categories and facilities first arose was in recognition of millennia of experience of some of the differences between males and females.

Just because post modernism created the concept of a 'gender identity' in the 1990's it doesn't erase the reality of human sex or our rawareness of how female people can be 'disadvantaged' on account of it.

@Gretel346 “It's about fairness applied to the specifics.”

There is NOTHING fair about men being in women’s spaces! Women are automatically at a disadvantage.

For transwomen to be included in any space that has a requirement to be single sex for safety reasons only benefits the trans women and disadvantages the women. Therefore, it is simply not a fair trade-off for women.

Trans women still have the same advantage in upper body strength and demonstrate the same patterns in violent offending as other men. For women to be around other women- even lesbians- is a much lower risk of violence than if a woman is around any man simply because a woman cannot fight a man off regardless of whether they are transgender.

Any man, for any reason, who looks at a space reserved for the safety of women and thinks a) thats a challenge or b) that doesn't apply to me is just another man who deliberately ignores the boundaries of women. It is this group of men who are the reason that women need certain spaces to be single sex in the first place. They show no regard for the effect they have on women and therefore are not worthy of any respect.

Thirdly, if you allow one man in for any reason, it is harder to say no to others. For those protesting you need to think long and hard about what is the cost to that decision that you are willing to admit in public... i.e. how many women will need to be assaulted by transwomen or other men pretending to be transwomen you are willing to tolerate before you admit you are wrong.

In short, there is only benefit for transwomen and loss for women is transwomen use female spaces, services and sport

Don’t women see the harm trans ideology has on women’s rights?

A lot of people believe that trans people are the most marginalized/oppression/persecuted group in society. So if it is a clash of rights occurs between groups you should take the side of the group which is more oppressed (trans people).

This is the thought process. Obviously i don't believe it, but many do (especially leftists).

They don't really believe it. It acts as an ideological article of faith . A dogma which must be preserved and defended if one is to maintain acceptance in one's tribe. That's it! It is about social conformity and social acceptance taking precedence over common sense.

Thanks! I don’t believe it either but it’s very concerning that so many women do.

Thank you! I’ve read that extreme trans activism has similarities to Mao’s China.

I don't think its illogical. Obviously if you truly believe that trans people are the most oppressed and persecuted group of people in society then it would probably make sense to side with them in this debate.

However, I disagree with the conclusion because I disagree with the premise. I absolutely do not think trans people are oppressed or persecuted, at least not in Australia.

Being that trans people are either male or female, they have the same rights as everyone else.

Not incoherent at all. A typo but you know full well what I meant.

Those facilities you want don't exist everywhere, stop pretending they do in order to avoid addressing the point.
Campaign for them and not for getting into women's spaces. You'll also need to ignore the evidence that assaults against women and children rise in changing village type arrangements.

I think what you posted read exactly like that. You are the one who is hopelessly misguided in this thread.

The grandiosity of your posts. Has to be a male!

A male who “identifies” as a female probably!