Are we a cult?

[CyclingSam]

I keep reading that sex realists, of which I am one, are a cult. Perhaps a genderist could be so kind as to explain what a cult is, and why we qualify. Sometimes one of us calls them a cult too. Who has a better case, hmmm?

Why not use men for, you know those men who don't subscribe to gender ideology, and "trans identified men" for men who do?

It's far more accurate all round.

It doesn't disadvantage anyone.

It's clear language.

It's not sexist at all. It doesn't require women to give up any rights

It doesn't require the majority to take on new confusing, inaccurate sub-set terms for themselves.

It is not imposed on anyone by a tiny percentage of men who want to be treated as women.

Instead that tiny percentage of trans identifying men have a name all of their own to describe themselves, their bodies and experiences. Happy days, right?

It’s HELPFUL to be able to describe specific experiences.

Yes.

Heterosexual doesn't mean 'normal' or 'not homosexual', it means you are attracted to people of the opposite sex.

'Cis' means that you identify with social expectations of your gender. It's not an accurate term for the many, many people who don't identify with a gender and so would better be described as 'a-gender'. According to Stonewall this puts them under the trans umbrella. (In fact there may even be a trans majority).

If 'Cis' is your specific experience, you are welcome to the word, but please don't assume that it is other people's.

I demand to be known as an N51 woman.

No indoctrination needed. I reached my opinion on the male of the species by the age of 6. No matter how a man presents themselves to the world they will always be a man.

In my view, it would be OK, if it wasn't that "trans woman" and "trans man" are used the wrong way round. Because of that linguistic trick, woman is used by TRActivists and TRAllies to describe both women without a trans view of themselves, and men with a trans view of themselves (and of course similarly for the word man). This causes all sorts of confusion, because it elevates internal views of oneself, 'gender identity', over physical observable reality.

Nearly all the adverse effects on women of gender identity ideology stem from this linguistic confusion. The demand that we should, out of 'politeness' but in my view really out of pressure to conform, use 'preferred' pronouns is a further example of the same linguistic trick.

"Trans woman" should mean "woman who is trans", but it doesn't, does it?

You didn't, you called yourself a 'women'.

Which by your own admission could be a male or a female.

Perhaps, and it's just a thought, the whole plan revolved around causing confusion in the first place. What do you think @Stonehenger , is the nomenclature confusing by design or by accident?

Using language you suggested was a acceptable:

if you actually really believe this, really believe the only significant difference between a trans "woman" and a member of the female half of humanity is that the latter identifies as "cis" and the forner as "trans", whereas the gulf between two male members of humanity or two female members becomes enormous sinply because one of the pair calls themself a "woman" and the other a "man"...

then you're an idiot.

Which of these prefixes are entirely made up and unfalsifiable (sorry for the use of big scientific words - google if you need).

I understood it with no issues. Having personal experience of it on multiple occasions helped, I guess.

Ah yes. Baby Kangaroo Tribbiani 😂

What’s a “women”?

Feel free to translate it, if you cba.

Yeah but people of colour can use the "n" word without offence to thier brothers and sisters, if a women tells me not to get my knickers in a twist it is an entirely different scenario to a man saying the same thing.

Point of order. Trans is a prefix - and as a prefix it alters the word it is attached to. 'cis' is a prefix that makes little sense in the way it has been co-opted by TRAs. The rest are adjectives and describe the word they are placed in front of.

As you were.

We are yet to establish this.

Some of us think it has something to do with knowing you are the kind of person who needs specific rights because you have the kind of body that might grow an entire human which, in the absence of medical care, can only leave through your vagina, which seems quite consequential.

I think other people think it is something to do with shoes, but they are reluctant to say.

It’s already been explained to you by Sea.

An obvious typo. But you might like to answer this question: "What's a woman?"

Its misogyny to hate on feminine expression. The person being targeted doesn't have to be male or female because they both express feminine behaviour although its more common in females.

Let's be very clear here. Misogyny (whether structural or personal) is a hatred of women based on their sexed body. That's why transmen also experience misogyny and transWOMEN never can.

The misogyny aimed at butch lesbians would also be a good example of why you are so wrong about it being a hatred of "feminine expression" as is your own misogyny toward GC women as seen on this very board. It's because you don't think we are "womaning correctly".
It's got absolutely fuck all to do with wearing a dress.

No, no it really hasn't. But I notice that Sea has disappeared, so perhaps we will never know what Sea meant.

No, we haven't missed them, we just don't accept them as valid.

"Men in dresses" are not expressing femininity.

Far from it.

Don't be so damn silly. Are you Gen Z to be so fragile?
And if you're a woman I'll eat my own knickers 😂

Let's unpick this.

WeCis is a word imposed to enforce gender identity and to try and legitimise gender identity.

Cis is therefore another of those word tricks.

Cis is something to suggest that there's a privilege involved to biological state rather than belief. And by inference that being trans confers a vulnerability and lack of privilege. This is where it becomes particularly sinister and when it's applied to working class women or women in a position of particular vulnerability such as abused women.

It is about trying to apply emotional pressure to blackmail women into acquiescing into consenting to the presence of men in intimate or single sex spaces because transwomen are less privileged. Aka coercion. Coercion by definition means that consent is invalid as it is not freely given and is only given under duress.

So no, cis is not a neutral word. It's effectively a misogynist word. To illustrate the point note how often it is used in conjunction to women and how it is used in conjunction to men but with massively less regularity. Precisely because it's about a power play against women. When it is used about men it's is still effectively used as a bit of a gotcha, again against women.

Like pronouns it contains rohypnol.

Don't address me or refer to me as a cis woman. Ever.