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The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.

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AsWithGlad · 10/08/2026 14:37

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Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 19:35

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 19:26

I’ve just been for a walk round the block with my colander, which didn’t work at all as a projector!

I looked at its reflection in a smoky glass window though, which is hopefully safe. Loads of people filming it on their phones.

Yes, my colander did something but was generally rather underwhelming. I ritually sacrificed a pair of Mr Magpie's socks and that seems to have worked to bring the sun back though.

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 19:36

The Terms

In which the unsettled isn’t settled…

The three contracts had spent the night on the big table, weighted flat at the corners with a sugar bowl and two coasters, and by the time breakfast had been cleared, Gingerbread had said the number out loud again, “Twenty seeds a week.”

“Twenty,” agreed Gasket.

“A week,” said Geometry.

“That’s a lot,” said Gingerbread. “How many do we normally have?”

Nobody answered, and then everybody did at once.

“Seven,” said Garnet. “Yesterday. I had seven.”

“Eight,” said Gasket. “Before breakfast. On Tuesday.”

“I had some on Sunday and I had some after, when the barrels came,” said Ganges. “And then I had some more when the barrels were finished.”

“How many is some?” asked Geometry.

“Some,” said Ganges. “And then some more.”

Governance, realising a comparison was in progress, opened a fresh notebook and headed it Bluestocking Arrangements: For Comparison. Galliard fetched the blackboard, on the grounds that a blackboard was always useful.

More numbers arrived. Geometry had three, and then remembered four more that had been on her way somewhere else, and Garnet revised her seven upward on the grounds that she had not been counting the ones from the case by the door. Galliard wrote them as they came, and they came faster than she could write.

“Are they luxury seeds?” asked Garnet.

Griffin looked at her contract. She turned it over and looked at the back of it, which was blank. “It says sunflower seeds. It doesn’t say which.”

The gerbils considered this. The luxury seeds lived behind the bar in the box with the hinged lid, and MyrtleLion brought them out for special occasions, and there had been one special occasion, on the night they all came home safely after catching the smugglers in Maine. Since then there had been applications. Ganges had submitted a regatta. Greengage had submitted the Summer Festival, twice, on the grounds that it was coming anyway. Geode had submitted a change in the weather. All of them had been received, politely considered, and declined.

“Twenty luxury seeds a week,” said Gingerbread. “Every Friday.”

“That’s more than I’ve had in my whole life,” said Garnet.

Nobody spoke for a moment.

“It can’t be luxury seeds,” said Ganges. “Nobody gets that many.”

“No,” agreed Gingerbread. “It can’t be luxury.”

Relief tinged with wistfulness went round the room.

Seed arrangements,” said Governance, and wrote it down, followed by, As many as are wanted, when they are wanted.

“There’s the birthdays,” said Galliard. “I haven’t listed the birthdays.”

Governance wrote the heading Birthdays in the notebook and Galliard turned to the board again and began a list of gerbils, so that their birthdays could be written down. By the fifteenth column her arm was aching and she had only got as far as the gerbils working the day shifts that week. Garnet pointed out that the board would never be big enough.

“But that isn’t how birthdays work,” said Gasket. “When somebody decides it’s her birthday, it’s everybody’s birthday. We all have one that day with cake and presents for everyone.”

“There were two last month,” said Ganges.

“There’s another on Thursday,” said Geometry. “Gadget’s arranging it.”

Galliard stood with her arm raised, holding the chalk, then immediately put it down again because her arm still ached.

Governance added, Whenever they are wanted.

Griffin was going through her contract the way she went through a map before trusting it, feature by feature, against the ground. “One day designated rest,” she read, “to be agreed in advance and not substituted without notice. So the rest day has a fixed position, and once it’s placed it can’t be moved.”

“What if Griffin needs a rest and it isn’t a rest day?” asked Geometry.

Governance held the notebook flat with one paw and wrote a new heading Rest Days, and next to it, Whenever one is wanted.

“Holiday,” Griffin went on. “Ten days a year, outside restoration season, of which none is currently stated. A season with no stated dates could be at any time. Which means the ten days could be at any time. Which means the ten days could be problematic.”

“Restoration season is two months in the autumn,” said Grisaille. “September and October.”

“Wouldn’t that get in the way of the Harvest Festival?” asked Geometry.

“They manage,” said Grisaille. “Lincoln did one Harvest Festival in front of a tarpaulin, photograph of the window printed on it, life size, sheaves, pumpkins and tinned food stacked up the bottom third so nobody looked too closely. Somebody said the tarpaulin caught the candlelight rather nicely, and the flower guild asked whether they could keep it up for the Christmas Fair as well.”

“That isn’t managing,” said Geometry. “That’s a tarpaulin.”

“Every year, near enough,” said Grisaille.

Griffin read the clause again and did not answer.

Holidays,” Governance wrote in the notebook, Whenever one is wanted. She wrote another heading, Breaks, before looking up to see Greengage asleep in the window in a pool of sunshine. She had been there since the sun rose and gave every appearance of remaining there for the rest of the day.

Governance wrote, Whenever they are wanted.

Hours,” she said, writing down the heading.

“Four today,” said Geometry.

“Twelve yesterday,” said Gasket. “Two the day before.”

“I worked last Thursday,” said Gondola, “a week ago.”

“I worked some today, then I worked some more, and I will work some again later,” said Ganges.

Governance wrote, Whenever they are wanted, and then sat looking at what she had written, which was essentially the same answer occupying five separate categories under five separate headings.

Girdle had been sitting with her paws together for some time, one of the three contracts held flat in front of her, which nobody had noticed her pick up. “Most isn’t in it,” she said. “I checked. I went through the whole thing twice. The word most isn’t anywhere in it.”

“Why would an employment contract say most?” asked @AngleofRepose, genuinely baffled.

“Because twenty is the most seeds. And ten days is the most holiday. And thirty minutes at one o’clock is the most lunch. AND one is the most birthdays. Every number on that sheet is the most of something and not one of them says so.”

She put her paw flat on the table. “Nobody at the Bluestocking has said I can only have a most of anything. The contract looks like a lot because it’s written down. But written down means a most of something, and we don’t have a most. Ever.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/17-the-terms

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 19:37

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 19:35

Yes, my colander did something but was generally rather underwhelming. I ritually sacrificed a pair of Mr Magpie's socks and that seems to have worked to bring the sun back though.

Talk about obscure skills Magpie….

I was surprised how many people were using their phones when that’s meant to spoil the camera lens.

DauntlessDamson · Yesterday 19:42

The gerbils are learning one of life's lessons.

If something looks too good to be true, it probably is!

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 19:45

FuzzyPuffling · Yesterday 16:42

Plymouth 18.16- 20.06. Max eclipse 19.15.

Thanks Fuzzy. The website I copied mine from didn't have anything in the SW that I could see!

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 19:54

Well, that was spectacular! I have a full range of viewers from various other astronomical events, and had a perfect view from the back bedroom which faces west (and casement windows that open fully) into a perfectly clear sky. The sun dwindled down to a tiny sliver of a crescent and the light around here got very dim and strange. It was similar to the 1999 one, but there weren't any weird shadows this time. Spectacular!

I did manage to see a perfect total solar eclipse in 2024, my first, but had to travel to see it. There's something rather special about seeing something so unusual from your own home! I'm over the moon! (sorry)

The eclipse con los gatos was hilarious @Boiledbeetle !

I hope most of you got to enjoy it?

DauntlessDamson · Yesterday 19:56

It was too hot to walk out to watch the eclipse in the end, so I sat in the garden instead. Caught a bit of it with my colander, but then several trees got in the way 🙄

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 20:01

Girdle certainly has her head on straight , doesn't she? I never would have noticed the "most" thing. I think she's on to something!

AnonyMumAuDHD · Yesterday 20:02

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 19:28

Jaffa Cakes are having their moment!

I want some now. They are my absolute favourites… except my DS seems to manage to eat an entire tube of 10 and leave me none (they’re really low in calories and they go stale once you’ve opened them, so it’d be rude to leave any, apparently 🤷🏻‍♀️)…

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 20:06

Apparently the eclipse fooled my neighbour's chickens into going to bed early! And then getting up again when the light came back. 😆

FuzzyPuffling · Yesterday 20:17

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 19:45

Thanks Fuzzy. The website I copied mine from didn't have anything in the SW that I could see!

We are akin to Narnia.

beeakoala · Yesterday 20:19

We had to walk down to the field because we have too many trees in the garden. Granddaughter was very excited because the pinhole camera WORKED!
I agree, Myrtle Lion, please can we have a permanent eclipse until the end of the heat wave!

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 20:20

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 19:54

Well, that was spectacular! I have a full range of viewers from various other astronomical events, and had a perfect view from the back bedroom which faces west (and casement windows that open fully) into a perfectly clear sky. The sun dwindled down to a tiny sliver of a crescent and the light around here got very dim and strange. It was similar to the 1999 one, but there weren't any weird shadows this time. Spectacular!

I did manage to see a perfect total solar eclipse in 2024, my first, but had to travel to see it. There's something rather special about seeing something so unusual from your own home! I'm over the moon! (sorry)

The eclipse con los gatos was hilarious @Boiledbeetle !

I hope most of you got to enjoy it?

It was sunny then less sunny then sunny again.

It had about as much eclipse to it as a wet weekend.

The 1999 one was better.

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 20:21

FuzzyPuffling · Yesterday 20:17

We are akin to Narnia.

It was from the Greenwich Observatory. I see now that they added Truro to the list sometime this afternoon. Clearly an oversight on their part yesterday.

FuzzyPuffling · Yesterday 20:27

AngleofRepose · Yesterday 20:21

It was from the Greenwich Observatory. I see now that they added Truro to the list sometime this afternoon. Clearly an oversight on their part yesterday.

London is jealous of the SW. I think we all know that!

Magpiecomplex · Yesterday 20:52

FuzzyPuffling · Yesterday 20:27

London is jealous of the SW. I think we all know that!

Hell yeah! Why else do so many Londoners have second homes in the SW?

EmpressaurusKitty · Yesterday 20:59

Are ritual sacrifices of socks common in the SW?

Chickadeeinme · Yesterday 21:12

I love the cat eclipse, and the Jaffa Cake eclipse!

Hedgehogforshort · Yesterday 21:19

I made my own pin camera it worked really well

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
AsWithGlad · Yesterday 21:25

My colander photo, taken during the eclipse. Not quite in focus, but never mind.

The neighbours were out in the street and kindly let me borrow their special glasses at several stages of the eclipse. Amazing.

Bluestocking group outing to Spain next year to see the 7 minute full eclipse?

The Bluestocking Women's Pub, in which we wait excitedly for the next instalment of Gosie's adventures. Gosie, Glass and the Gerbils' Dilemma.
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AsWithGlad · Yesterday 21:33

Oh, Myrtle, how blessed we are to know those logical, intelligent and sensible gerbils.

Today’s instalment is such a pleasure to read, even judged by the standards of all the other excellent ones.

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MyrtleLion · Yesterday 22:02

AsWithGlad · Yesterday 21:33

Oh, Myrtle, how blessed we are to know those logical, intelligent and sensible gerbils.

Today’s instalment is such a pleasure to read, even judged by the standards of all the other excellent ones.

Thank you so much. I'm sorry you have all been so worried about the gerbils, but we had to let them work it out for themselves.

ChristmasStars · Yesterday 22:33

MyrtleLion · Yesterday 19:36

The Terms

In which the unsettled isn’t settled…

The three contracts had spent the night on the big table, weighted flat at the corners with a sugar bowl and two coasters, and by the time breakfast had been cleared, Gingerbread had said the number out loud again, “Twenty seeds a week.”

“Twenty,” agreed Gasket.

“A week,” said Geometry.

“That’s a lot,” said Gingerbread. “How many do we normally have?”

Nobody answered, and then everybody did at once.

“Seven,” said Garnet. “Yesterday. I had seven.”

“Eight,” said Gasket. “Before breakfast. On Tuesday.”

“I had some on Sunday and I had some after, when the barrels came,” said Ganges. “And then I had some more when the barrels were finished.”

“How many is some?” asked Geometry.

“Some,” said Ganges. “And then some more.”

Governance, realising a comparison was in progress, opened a fresh notebook and headed it Bluestocking Arrangements: For Comparison. Galliard fetched the blackboard, on the grounds that a blackboard was always useful.

More numbers arrived. Geometry had three, and then remembered four more that had been on her way somewhere else, and Garnet revised her seven upward on the grounds that she had not been counting the ones from the case by the door. Galliard wrote them as they came, and they came faster than she could write.

“Are they luxury seeds?” asked Garnet.

Griffin looked at her contract. She turned it over and looked at the back of it, which was blank. “It says sunflower seeds. It doesn’t say which.”

The gerbils considered this. The luxury seeds lived behind the bar in the box with the hinged lid, and MyrtleLion brought them out for special occasions, and there had been one special occasion, on the night they all came home safely after catching the smugglers in Maine. Since then there had been applications. Ganges had submitted a regatta. Greengage had submitted the Summer Festival, twice, on the grounds that it was coming anyway. Geode had submitted a change in the weather. All of them had been received, politely considered, and declined.

“Twenty luxury seeds a week,” said Gingerbread. “Every Friday.”

“That’s more than I’ve had in my whole life,” said Garnet.

Nobody spoke for a moment.

“It can’t be luxury seeds,” said Ganges. “Nobody gets that many.”

“No,” agreed Gingerbread. “It can’t be luxury.”

Relief tinged with wistfulness went round the room.

Seed arrangements,” said Governance, and wrote it down, followed by, As many as are wanted, when they are wanted.

“There’s the birthdays,” said Galliard. “I haven’t listed the birthdays.”

Governance wrote the heading Birthdays in the notebook and Galliard turned to the board again and began a list of gerbils, so that their birthdays could be written down. By the fifteenth column her arm was aching and she had only got as far as the gerbils working the day shifts that week. Garnet pointed out that the board would never be big enough.

“But that isn’t how birthdays work,” said Gasket. “When somebody decides it’s her birthday, it’s everybody’s birthday. We all have one that day with cake and presents for everyone.”

“There were two last month,” said Ganges.

“There’s another on Thursday,” said Geometry. “Gadget’s arranging it.”

Galliard stood with her arm raised, holding the chalk, then immediately put it down again because her arm still ached.

Governance added, Whenever they are wanted.

Griffin was going through her contract the way she went through a map before trusting it, feature by feature, against the ground. “One day designated rest,” she read, “to be agreed in advance and not substituted without notice. So the rest day has a fixed position, and once it’s placed it can’t be moved.”

“What if Griffin needs a rest and it isn’t a rest day?” asked Geometry.

Governance held the notebook flat with one paw and wrote a new heading Rest Days, and next to it, Whenever one is wanted.

“Holiday,” Griffin went on. “Ten days a year, outside restoration season, of which none is currently stated. A season with no stated dates could be at any time. Which means the ten days could be at any time. Which means the ten days could be problematic.”

“Restoration season is two months in the autumn,” said Grisaille. “September and October.”

“Wouldn’t that get in the way of the Harvest Festival?” asked Geometry.

“They manage,” said Grisaille. “Lincoln did one Harvest Festival in front of a tarpaulin, photograph of the window printed on it, life size, sheaves, pumpkins and tinned food stacked up the bottom third so nobody looked too closely. Somebody said the tarpaulin caught the candlelight rather nicely, and the flower guild asked whether they could keep it up for the Christmas Fair as well.”

“That isn’t managing,” said Geometry. “That’s a tarpaulin.”

“Every year, near enough,” said Grisaille.

Griffin read the clause again and did not answer.

Holidays,” Governance wrote in the notebook, Whenever one is wanted. She wrote another heading, Breaks, before looking up to see Greengage asleep in the window in a pool of sunshine. She had been there since the sun rose and gave every appearance of remaining there for the rest of the day.

Governance wrote, Whenever they are wanted.

Hours,” she said, writing down the heading.

“Four today,” said Geometry.

“Twelve yesterday,” said Gasket. “Two the day before.”

“I worked last Thursday,” said Gondola, “a week ago.”

“I worked some today, then I worked some more, and I will work some again later,” said Ganges.

Governance wrote, Whenever they are wanted, and then sat looking at what she had written, which was essentially the same answer occupying five separate categories under five separate headings.

Girdle had been sitting with her paws together for some time, one of the three contracts held flat in front of her, which nobody had noticed her pick up. “Most isn’t in it,” she said. “I checked. I went through the whole thing twice. The word most isn’t anywhere in it.”

“Why would an employment contract say most?” asked @AngleofRepose, genuinely baffled.

“Because twenty is the most seeds. And ten days is the most holiday. And thirty minutes at one o’clock is the most lunch. AND one is the most birthdays. Every number on that sheet is the most of something and not one of them says so.”

She put her paw flat on the table. “Nobody at the Bluestocking has said I can only have a most of anything. The contract looks like a lot because it’s written down. But written down means a most of something, and we don’t have a most. Ever.”

https://myrtlelion.substack.com/p/17-the-terms

Edited

Girdle is a genius.

ChristmasStars · Yesterday 22:35

Boiledbeetle · Yesterday 20:20

It was sunny then less sunny then sunny again.

It had about as much eclipse to it as a wet weekend.

The 1999 one was better.

I thought that but to be fair I was in France in the path of totality for the 1999 one so experienced the full darkness thing. It was pretty amazing.

AsWithGlad · Yesterday 22:40

It’s my first eclipse. I’d heard about it getting dark, and quiet. I noticed, when looking through my neighbour’s glasses, there was scarcely any sun left to be seen, but I didn’t feel it getting even a little bit darker.

I suppose it’s so powerful that even a tiny sliver of sun is a lot of light.

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