The future of gender ideology

[PeachyDaisy]

Is anyone else feeling really pessimistic about the future of women’s sex-based rights?

I know the UK has been doing better than many other countries in pushing back against gender ideology (although there is still a long way to go), but it feels like much of the rest of the Western world has already been captured by it, both culturally and legally.

Looking 50 years into the future, I honestly worry that most Western countries will have moved to self-ID, with only a few exceptions remaining. Hopefully the UK is able to stand firm, but I’m not even confident of that especially if all of the western world has fallen.

I know the gender ideology movement is never going to disappear. It will continue to control universities, many industries, and parts of society. There will also always be a significant number of people who either support, or simply don’t see a problem with, males accessing women’s spaces if they identify as women.

I wonder if others feel the same — that this is a temporary cultural moment that will eventually shift, or whether these changes are likely to become permanent.

@PeachyDaisy

Is anyone else feeling really pessimistic about the future of women’s sex-based rights?

Nope. Feeling really positive about the direction of travel, despite the seemingly endless numbers of activists who start threads or join threads trying to convince us it's all going to pot.

We have the law on the side of rights and sanity. Gender ideology is on its way out, to be replaced with something equally as bizarre, and no doubt women will have to deal with that as well! But, we will!

Thanks for starting this thread. I'm sure you'll be glad to know that some of us at least are undeterred.

Well I'm glad I'm not the only cynic. 😄

I live in one of the EU countries where self-ID and #bekind reign - thank you in advance for all thes I know will be coming my way🙁

And yet in the media... there was an interview with a sports coach the other day in which he talked about the importance of training programmes specifically tailored for girls, taking account of their different biology, e.g. factoring in periods.

There was a health programme which emphasised the difference between gender and sex, and that gender equality mustn't eclipse the fact that women's bodies are different, and therefore girls grow up with a different life experience..

A discussion on women's sports commenting on the number of foot injuries caused to women's footballers when they had to wear boys' football boots, instead of boots specifically designed for the different structure of women's feet..

There's the [cover your ears, TPA] ideology, and then there's people's everyday experience, and the recognition of biological sex seems to be thriving despite years of legislation denying it.

That gives me hope.

AngleofRepose - I like 'undeterred', I'd wear that on a t-shirt

TransParentlyAnnoyed

So many words making so little sense.

Repeating the same emotional BS with very little evidence to back up your claims, whilst ignoring all of the threats and violence that TRAs put forward.

Remember that the truth will set you free.

Maybe Boily could design one!
@Boiledbeetle

You cite women objecting to a biological male punching women for sport as off putting. That’s interesting given that the public reaction that spectacle was probably what finally drove the IOC to act.

Do you not find men punching women off putting then?

Do you really think a child should be told they were born in the wrong body? Are you defending mastectomies on minors (which have happened?)

Nobody hates trans people we just recognise that their rights are as curtailed by the law as everyone else’s. They are not a sacred caste whose rights trump those of others. The right not to be discriminated against is not the same as the right to do what you want no matter the impact on others.

My impression is that a lot of people in countries with self-ID are not happy about it. They bring it up quite frequently in conversations and I only know one person who is a subscriber. She works in the arts and actually knows nothing about it all.

Men pushing the boundaries means that law makers are slowly realising what they have done, eg. that right wing extremist in Germany who suddenly turned trans in order not to have to go to a men's prison or those Spanish soldiers and the German police officer changing their gender to female for higher pay.

Conservative and right parties can see it is a vote winner and that puts pressure on the left.

Sadly if you have sacrificed your child on the altar of woo woo, admitting the truth does the opposite to setting you free. You have to admit how much you failed.

Not sure that poster has actually sacrificed any child on the altar of anything. As opposed to using a fictitious one to stick it to women.

If my memory serves, the timeline was all over the shop

Sorry can't keep up with the posters with questionable motives. There's so many of them.

True 😄

Yes, and I think we are edging closer to the edge (the open mockery re the death of Ann Widdicombe, the funding of a “Queer Milk” charity in Scotland with taxpayers’ money, the hate and vitriol expressed at some protests last weekend…. These things are repugnant to many people). Also, I have noticed recently that people are more willing to say what they think, ie that a lot of GI is bloody delusional and contradictory and dangerous.

There will be men at the top
Then there will be men who claim to be women
Women will become third class citizens.

She spoke truth unlike the feminist identifying transphobes on here who like to waffle on about a whole load of nothing. No scientific evidence or nothing because apparently they are all experts.

Still waiting for you to provide any evidence scientific or otherwise that support your outlandish claims…..the night is young though so one can at least remain every hopeful.

You do know, don't you, that the frequency of you calling us "transphobes" is inversely related to the amount of indifference to your name-calling we feel?

I don't think they ever get this.

Every bit of name-calling reinforces their panic/misogyny.

it's a service, really.

Yeah, just wondering if he even understands the concept. I suppose ChatGPT or other will tell him eventually. 😁

We don't need scientific evidence to prove reality, if you have something that explains how a man changes into a woman and at what point that change happens, as always, please go ahead and link it.

She?
Did you ask that poster's pronouns?
Rude.

All those little little quiet conversations you have had over the years with people who know you and know you are reasonable and not a bigot.

They add up and break the wall.

Yes and I am doing it more boldly now. Had just such a conversation with my dog walker the other day and then the lady at the salon k go to. And guess what .. they feel similar. And wanted to say so!

This is the thing - the rejection of G I is actually the normative social position. All the YouGov and other polls and questionnaires bear this out, with support for trans rights waning as people realise they have the same rights as the rest of us in law already and as it dawns on them that majority view is the so-called ‘GC’/sex-realist one but people had been cowed into silence because they had been lead to believe it wasn’t.

I’m not transphobic in the least - I am very much AGP-phobic [I think men wanting to take part in women’s sports, with the access to women’s spaces and the roll-playing of womanhood is still AGP]. I feel deep compassion for trans identifying young adults, and young women specifically, who need support and therapy to come to terms with their gender dysphoria and actual sexed bodies. I worry for them if they have taken any medicalised steps within GAC. I fear for their futures and long term physical wellbeing if they are taking hormones or undergoing breast surgeries, given the impact on their bodies. I worry about their MH given they are getting no real therapy and there is no pathway of recovery outside the affirmation model. I feel some level of empathy for the small number of males in their cohorts who are similarly grappling with internalised homophobia or abusive families where they have been lead to understand that being female is the only way they can be accepted, ie the ones who are not AGP. I would step in in a public space if I saw any of these vulnerable young people being abused or harassed. I want them to have the care and treatment they need to get well, to live into adulthood safely with as much of their natural bodies intact as possible.

So I know I am not transphobic. But a 6ft AGP in my female space? I will push back from that because, yes, I am AFRAID of men in my spaces, I am afraid of the motivations they have for being there. The media coverage means that these men, their illness, their arrogant disdain for women they claim kinship with, are being exposed.

And the more this happens the more we can have these conversations with our hairdressers and dog walkers without fear of censure.

I love it when someone uses the talking points of the other side to back up their argument.

Yeah.

It's something that is self defeating, in that the more successful it is, the more people see what's going on.