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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Right-wing press perpetuating hate over Widdecombe

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YourHateIsShowing · 16/07/2026 08:41

The Daily Express and others claiming the reaction to Ann Widdecombe’s death has somehow “exposed the left” as hateful, is nonsense as usual.

There is hate on the left. Without question. There’s also hate on the right. There are totally extreme nut jobs on both sides, too. Neither side has a total monopoly on either. But I think it’s pretty lazy to not see past the noise and understand the origin of hatred on any side of conflict. Context is everything. And most can agree with that when it comes to certain situations. As a mother, I understand the hatred a mother would feel towards a drunk driver who ended their child’s life through one careless selfish decision to drive home from the pub intoxicated. Or for worse crimes we know exist. I’m using these examples simply to make the case that our value systems should be consistent. Not to imply the level of harm is the same in all cases. That would be an overreach.

Ann Widdecombe was a deeply controversial politician. She was unapologetic about her views on immigration, LGBTQ+ rights, welfare and poverty. I remember her response when challenged about people who couldn’t afford a cheese sandwich: her answer amounted to, “Don’t have a cheese sandwich then.” I’ve watched her for years as a speaker on right wing conservative talking points; she dedicated her life to politics, but very often in ways that supported the structural degradation of groups of already marginalised people in society. So I loathed what she stood for and I make no secret of that.
And why should others who were actually targeted or harmed by the spread of her views suddenly be expected to pretend she was a saint because of what happened to her? Or be quiet? Widdecombe was anything a saint and anything but quiet throughout her political career. Death doesn’t erase public record.

What I will say though, is this: what happened to her was awful. Abhorrent. What happened was utterly disgusting, AND so were her views on a lot of things. Views that had influence. That doesn’t mean she deserved what happened to her. I feel for her, and her family. She would have been scared. She has my empathy for that. In spades. But I certainly don’t think others who were the focus of her intolerance should be expected to rewrite history or suppress honest criticism of the suffering she supported within society, out of respect for some weird convention that says we should only speak well of the dead. I don’t buy into that.

I’m sure Ann loved her family, had close friends, and watered all her house plants. I don’t see the world in terms of heroes and villains. We can be either at any time under different circumstances. But for those who’ve maybe read 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, you may also find truth in the words of Covey who said “we are what we repeatedly do”. If you repeatedly lie, guess what? You’re a liar.

There’s truth in that, even though I mostly see people on a spectrum and not in the binary. I still see the small compounding decisions they repeatedly make, and more importantly how those decisions impact others. We can also accept conflicting ideas, where good people commit a bad act, for good reason. It’s complicated.
But overall, some people leave the world a tiny bit kinder, fairer and more compassionate as a result of those compounding decisions met with their sphere of influence. Others leave it more divided, more fearful or less equal. Most of us fall somewhere in between. And most have little influence outside our immediate circle.
Ann had more than the average bod, so I hold her and other public figures to a higher standard. She didn’t stack up, for me.

Ann Widdecombe accepted and even defended policy that saw totally unnecessary poverty and hunger (children included), in the 6th richest country in the world. She stood against abortion in cases of rape. And she consistently fought against gay rights. She repeatedly contributed to this. This is who she was. What she stood for. And what those who support her stand for.

So what the right read as hatred among the left today, in the wake of this awful event that brought her world views into sharp focus, I read as an intolerance not of her skin colour, or her sexual orientation, or her nationality, but of all she stood for and against; all she was intolerant of in people without choices.

Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance explains this best, I think. If you’ve not come across it, it’s essentially characterised by an intolerance of intolerance itself. The difference is this: to be intolerant of someone’s skin colour, ethnicity, or other things they cannot change, such as their sexual orientation, or even level of poverty, certainly if you’re still a child born into it, is not the same as having an intolerance of those who punch down at them from a place of privilege.

Ann Widdecombe was openly homophobic and believed science should one day cure it, as if being gay were a disease to be eradicated. That’s a profound intolerance of something people cannot change. The same cannot be said of a worldview built on prejudice, bigotry or theocratic ideology. Those are beliefs. They’re decisions. They can be questioned, challenged and changed. Even after death. And if she and others like her directed more of their intolerance towards harmful ideas, rather than towards people for who they are, and for that which they cannot change, we’d have less hatred on both sides. But the root of that hatred, is glaringly obvious when you actually take the time to analyse it. Spoiler alert: it’s not coming from the left.

So this headline can get in the bin.
Where it belongs.

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Waitwhat23 · 16/07/2026 11:44

Whisperingwaters · 16/07/2026 11:30

You take it wrong. And this isn't even touching on her tweets.

"In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”
Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."
https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

It's telling that you post an opinion piece about the essay, one which uses language like 'cis' - clearly showing an adherence to gender ideology but not the essay itself

nauticant · 16/07/2026 11:46

There's often the claim that the problem in the gender debate is that the two sides are as bad as each other. When they're clearly not.

There's an attempt to do something similar by the OP here. But having been involved in the gender debate for a decade, and by extension observing the operations of cancel culture, I came to the view that while there's violence at the extremes on both sides, for the left the tolerance of this violence seems to extend far more to the centre ground of the left than it does for the right.

For ages I assumed I was just experiencing confirmation bias. But then I found this:

https://yougov.com/en-us/articles/52960-charlie-kirk-americans-political-violence-poll

Note particularly the section Most Americans say it's unacceptable to be happy about public figures' deaths, but younger and more liberal Americans are more likely to call it acceptable.

It's fair to say that you can't compare the US and the UK in simple terms but when you're talking about online omnicause activism, the US and the UK are rather similar a number of respects.

Beowulfa · 16/07/2026 11:46

FFS, nobody is being asked to "grieve" as though they knew Widdecombe personally, or acknowledge her as a "saint" (as a deeply religious woman she would never have referred to herself as such).

I personally expect adults to be able to give politely neutral responses in the aftermath of a violent murder of an elderly woman, or just say nothing at all.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 16/07/2026 11:48

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 11:23

That's fine by you, I happen to feel them actively fighting against my right to marry for years and hoping I can be cured one day as disagreeing fundamentally with my existence. Could you explain in more detail how it's not hateful when the basis of her belief is literally described as hating the sin?

The concept of sin is itself not as black and white as many people make it. In order to be a Christian, you have to acknowledge that you are imperfect, and most Christians confess their own sinfulness frequently and regularly – it is an essential part of most church services, for example. So we are not accusing other people of something we don't acknowledge in ourselves. If a Christian describes any aspect of your behaviour as "sinful" they are a hypocrite if they don't describe their own behaviour as sinful also (and Jesus was excoriating towards hypocrites!). The "hate the sin and not the sinner" cliché is not very helpful, partly because it plays down the moral and ethical dilemmas we all face.

Sin is sometimes described as a falling short of the intention of God for people. "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." So those who see marriage as the uniting of a woman and a man, with a reproductive function as a main purpose, may see that as an ideal. A same sex relationship can then be seen as falling short of that ideal. I'm not convinced by that line of reasoning, but I think that's where Ann Widdecombe was coming from, and that she wanted the word marriage in the context of human relationships to be reserved for something she saw as sacred. I think she saw same sex relationships as less than ideal. Personally, I think that committed and loving same sex relationships, in which the partners care for and look after each other, have a lot to commend them.

WiddleWaWa · 16/07/2026 11:48

OneQuirkyPanda · 16/07/2026 11:35

She was a controversial divisive figure, so there will be controversial divisive opinions following her death.

I don’t think she deserved to be murdered or die, but not sure why it’s not acceptable for me or others to say they won’t grieve her or are not sad about her death? You can’t say one set of offensive opinions are acceptable, but others aren’t. Unless, someone is breaking the law or inciting violence it’s all just freedom of speech.

Anne very much exercised her right to freedom of speech, no matter how much she offended some people, and this is what many posters here are defending, so let others do the same.

TRIGGER WARNING GRAPHIC

But how, as a human, can you not be sad about the murder of a 78 year old woman in her own home because she was 'a divisive figure'?

That is what you said "not sure why it’s not acceptable for me or others to say they won’t grieve her or are not sad about her death?"

You don't have to grieve her. Grief is personal, it is an expression of love for someone. Nobody expects you to feel that.

But for you to think of a woman, almost 80 years old, realising there is a man in her home. A stranger and the fear she must have felt once she realised his malicious intentions knowing that she has no possible way, as an elderly woman, to protect herself from him. And then the physical pain she must have felt whilst he viciously beat her to death. Was it an instant death? Did she lay there for hours? Did he taunt her?

How, just how could you hear that and NOT be sad? It just seems absolutely heartless and inhumane to me.

Im not even saying you have to EXPRESS IT in writing. You don't have to comment about her at all in her death if you didn't like her, but do you really not feel any sadness for her death? I assume you are a woman?

Just as a woman, knowing one day you will be almost 80 and maybe alone at times.

Just because she was 'devisive'? That divisiveness in her opinions is enough for you to lose your sadness in the brutal murder of an elderly woman?

So if she was an LGBT campaigner you would allow yourself to feel the emotion of her death? But you close that off because of her opinions?

I find that incredibly strange.

If someone told me now that Heather Herbert, the man who rejoiced in Anns death, had been beaten to death in his own home for making that grotesque remarks I would be absolutely horrified and deeply, deeply saddened that his last moments were as such. I would be saddened that someone felt it was appropriate to murder him for those words and that his last moments on this earth were filled with fear. Nobody deserves to die that was for words alone.

Whisperingwaters · 16/07/2026 11:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 11:43

You didn’t provide the quote to back up your statement because it’s a lie, and you know that full well, as does practically every other poster on this thread.

Wrong. The piece quotes JKR directly. That you’re cognitive bias makes you incapable of understanding the obvious logical conclusions from those quotes makes it impossible for you to comprehend her transphobia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitivebias

Cognitive bias - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_bias

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 11:50

Whisperingwaters · 16/07/2026 11:48

Wrong. The piece quotes JKR directly. That you’re cognitive bias makes you incapable of understanding the obvious logical conclusions from those quotes makes it impossible for you to comprehend her transphobia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitivebias

Edited

Yes, it quotes her saying perfectly reasonable things which don’t come near to your claim that she said “trans women are mentally ill sex predators”. Do try again.

GwenPost · 16/07/2026 11:52

Ipsevenenabibas · 16/07/2026 10:29

For people like me, who admired her, admiration is rooted in her integrity, courage, and consistency. From this point of view, having a firm, unshifting moral foundation—even one rooted in ancient religious tradition—is a virtue. Refusal to conform to shifting cultural or political trends is admirable, in my opinion. The fact that you are asking me this question demonstrates a lack of critical thinking on your part. Hope this helps.

I think asking you the question shows an interest in understanding where you're coming from which is part of the critical thinking process.

So thanks for answering - it did help me understand your position.
We still disagree though.
While it's admirable to have a firm moral foundation I think if you're going to impose that on others by being part of the law making process then you should also consider your moral system from outside the religion that it is based on.

Gay people are 'broken' and science will cure them one day so I'm going to vote to deny them the same rights heterosexual people have isnt an admirable ethical position

AW did have many admirable qualities though

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 11:53

But of course you’re deflecting from how crass, hateful and absurd your own posts are @Whisperingwaters

OneQuirkyPanda · 16/07/2026 11:56

WiddleWaWa · 16/07/2026 11:48

TRIGGER WARNING GRAPHIC

But how, as a human, can you not be sad about the murder of a 78 year old woman in her own home because she was 'a divisive figure'?

That is what you said "not sure why it’s not acceptable for me or others to say they won’t grieve her or are not sad about her death?"

You don't have to grieve her. Grief is personal, it is an expression of love for someone. Nobody expects you to feel that.

But for you to think of a woman, almost 80 years old, realising there is a man in her home. A stranger and the fear she must have felt once she realised his malicious intentions knowing that she has no possible way, as an elderly woman, to protect herself from him. And then the physical pain she must have felt whilst he viciously beat her to death. Was it an instant death? Did she lay there for hours? Did he taunt her?

How, just how could you hear that and NOT be sad? It just seems absolutely heartless and inhumane to me.

Im not even saying you have to EXPRESS IT in writing. You don't have to comment about her at all in her death if you didn't like her, but do you really not feel any sadness for her death? I assume you are a woman?

Just as a woman, knowing one day you will be almost 80 and maybe alone at times.

Just because she was 'devisive'? That divisiveness in her opinions is enough for you to lose your sadness in the brutal murder of an elderly woman?

So if she was an LGBT campaigner you would allow yourself to feel the emotion of her death? But you close that off because of her opinions?

I find that incredibly strange.

If someone told me now that Heather Herbert, the man who rejoiced in Anns death, had been beaten to death in his own home for making that grotesque remarks I would be absolutely horrified and deeply, deeply saddened that his last moments were as such. I would be saddened that someone felt it was appropriate to murder him for those words and that his last moments on this earth were filled with fear. Nobody deserves to die that was for words alone.

Edited

To be quite blunt, I didn’t like her, I think her opinions were harmful and as a lesbian very offensive.

I think it’s awful what has happened to her, she didn’t deserve it, it shouldn’t have happened and whoever did it should be punished, but I am not sad she is dead, I will not mourn or grieve her as I found her deeply unpleasant.

I think it is my right to express that opinion, just as she expressed many opinions that I found deeply offensive. I certainly am not happy she was murdered, but I am not sad she is dead, and I think myself and others have every right to say that and we should not have to hide, censor or sugar coat our opinions because it is offensive to some people.

WiddleWaWa · 16/07/2026 11:59

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 11:37

Thanks, I did stop reading after a while because I didn't ask or care to hear your homophobic opinions to be honest. You're entirely entitled to be religious I just am not interested in your beliefs but I wouldn't vote against your right to have them or advocate for a cure for you. I don't believe in a God so I don't think there's any man in the sky who has a preference for me.😉

My homophobic opinion that you should have every right that a straight couple do including marriage and that I support your right to have a lesbian relationship and I do not judge that?
The fact that you didn't even read my post but called me out as a homophobe sums up everything that is wrong with the left right now.

Ipsevenenabibas · 16/07/2026 12:02

AW did have many admirable qualities

At least we can agree on this @GwenPost . Have a good day now.

myopinionis · 16/07/2026 12:06

YABU, and verbose. Some left-wingers are machine-gunning themselves in the foot right now, and it's not helping anyone.

ThreeLocusts · 16/07/2026 12:09

Thanks @Bosky for posting those songs. I didn't know them.

This thread has rather gone off the rails, hasn't it?

Odd how tricky it is to respond appropriately when a controversial public figure dies. With Lindsey Graham over in the US, I almost posted somewhere much mor public than mn about the obvious thing that nobody mentioned: the man was less a weather vane than just the consummate sidekick. He needed a hero to follow. If McCain were still alive, Graham would still be his poodle, not Trump's, with the opinions to fit.

But I didn't post it because it felt ghoulish.

Similarly, it feels ghoulish to muse at great length on the toxicity of Widdecombe's political views, however evident.

I moved to the UK as a young adult in the 90s. I couldn't help noticing that then, women really stood out like sore thumbs amid the public-schoolboy-maleness of the Tory party. Widdecombe's was one of the very few female faces. Despite my dislike of her policies, she forced some grudging respect out of me for being so obviously disinterested in being in any way fashionable. Her opinions were often mean, but she meant them and she wouldn't change them to be liked. Something to be said for that.

I left the UK in 2016 and I haven't followed her descent into Reform territory. It's a pity she went that way.

She was an elderly woman who was brutally killed in her own home. That's too awful for words. And has anyone else noticed that of the three politicians murdered in recent years in the UK (Cox, Amos, Widdecombe) two were women? It's not like women are 2/3 of all politicians.

May she rest in peace.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/07/2026 12:11

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 10:58

I'm not sure I agree that disagreeing with someone's fundamental existence isn't hateful. To me my sexuality isn't an opinion of a lifestyle, it's there whether you live it or not. Disagreeing with something fundamental or suggesting or hoping it should be cured isn't neutral or loving, and is hateful to imo, because its completely rooted in the christian logic of "hating the sin not the sinner" which is how the defenses of her opinions sound here, "she hated my sexuality but not me" and I'm quite surprised that women especially queer women would give such an old fashioned patriarchal agenda the time of day. It's fine to admit her opinions were our of date, completely unfactual discriminatory and hateful without agreeing with murder.

I'm interested in this.

If a person does not feel hate, are they still hateful if someone else believes their beliefs are wrong?

It seems to me this is at the heart of it - the assertion that certain views are an objectively true demonstration of the emotional state of the person who holds them, regardless of whether that person blieves they are in that emotional state or not.

It is very convenient for the accuser to be able to dismiss people with whom they disagree as being motivated by an irrational emotional state that exists behind their words rather than considering what they actually say and why.

And it is also never going to move past that if one person is being dismissed as feeling hate when that person knows that hate is not what they feel.

Intolerance. Prejudice. Lack of education. Getting involved in things that don;t concern you. Applying arbitrary and illogical rules. Not appreciating the challanges or needs of other people. Lack of empathy. Selfishness. Fear. All of these are potentially valid criticisms of perspectives currently being lazily dismissed as "hate". And any of these would be a more useful, more effective, place to start from than simply assuming it is an emotional "hate".

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 16/07/2026 12:13

Whisperingwaters · 16/07/2026 11:48

Wrong. The piece quotes JKR directly. That you’re cognitive bias makes you incapable of understanding the obvious logical conclusions from those quotes makes it impossible for you to comprehend her transphobia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitivebias

Edited

"Her latest attempt at explaining herself only made her transphobia even more obvious.."

Any article that starts like that can easily be dismissed as propagander, you'll need to quote a reliable source to prove your point, not a hatchet job.
Big fail.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/07/2026 12:15

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 11:17

Uhh by literally arguing science could hopefully cure them? As though there's something wrong with someone being homosexual, as well as being active in blocking our right to marry. I see it the same a misogynist arguing they don't disagree or hate the existence of women, if you impose enough restrictions on women and perpetuate misogyny, you really can't claim to not hate women's existence you just believe xyz.

You’re misrepresenting what she said though. She wasn’t presenting it as a problem that she wanted people ‘cured’, she was speculating on possible scientific advances in the future along the lines of the information being presented by trusted scientific organisations of the time that people could change sex. It’s a perfectly logical position (albeit based on the activist lies). If people can change sex, they can also change sexuality.

She appeared to be coming from a place of empathy - she recognised that some people have experienced distress with their sexuality (particularly historically in her lifetime) so was musing on whether there might be some scientific development that could help them.

The so called ‘progressive left’ are nothing but selective and dishonest when presenting their version of the views of those they dislike as fact.

Linzloopy · 16/07/2026 12:15

What a long-winded, repetitive, pompous way of making it clear that you don’t understand there is such a thing as human decency.

Most people appreciate that even if you disagree with all someone's opinions (as I disagreed with AW's), the days after that person's murder are not the right time to go out of your way to express your hatred of them.

In any case, by all accounts she was a kind and amusing person in real life - Matthew Parris, a gay journalist who knew her quite well, wrote that he found some of her stated opinions appalling but "liked her tremendously".

GwenPost · 16/07/2026 12:21

@RapidOnsetGenderCritic

you're right about my lack of understanding of Christian theology. Being brought up catholic and schooled in a convent does rather put one off learning any more.

Christianity's 'problem' with homosexuality does seem like some random rule made up a long time ago. And if our laws are going to be influenced by it then I think it's ok to call it out as such.

People can believe whatever they want but these beliefs need examination before we impose them on others

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 12:25

Exactly @Linzloopy. I felt the same about Charlie Kirk, another horrific murder of someone most of us disagree with on most things, about which people felt the need to post their fatuous little gloats. There are still people whinging all over the board that they were “told what to think”. No, they were disagreed with on the appropriateness of their crass comments immediately following the brutal murder of someone for political reasons.

DemiVie · 16/07/2026 12:26

@WiddleWaWa

But how, as a human, can you not be sad about the murder of a 78 year old woman in her own home because she was 'a divisive figure'?

Agree completely. Politics aside, what we should be focusing on here is the abhorrent murder of an elderly woman in her home. Politics can come later. The act itself is terrible.

Noras · 16/07/2026 12:29

Those who steer left have a smug moral superiority and strongly believe that they know what is the appropriate way to think. Anyone who has dissenting views is a not nice person on their eyes.i don’t like this

I am politically homeless. I support gay marriage and trans rights but also understand how some women feel intimidated by it all. I believe in discourse and trying to accommodate everyone. I am also pro Europe but worry about higher taxes and their impact on business.

I guess I am a centralist - but no party aligns with that anymore.

i also feel extremely saddened that someone in politics got killed in this way and alone. I think that anyone who is passionate about politicos enough and have convictions in their views deserves respect. For that reason I have respect for Jeremy Corbyn and Rees Moggs but dislike the views of both.

I felt sad that my local council did not pay any respects to her whereas they did hold a minutes silence for Jo Cox.

I would not have wanted to have coffee with her but nonetheless I respected her and her passion.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/07/2026 12:29

Ipsevenenabibas · 16/07/2026 09:37

We live in an era where the least succesful, most chronically online social outcasts have loud voices that are heard now. It’s made abnormal, frankly degenerate, behaviours completely normal. There's a sad irony to the fact that the #bekind mob are the least kind and most intolerant people going. Ann Widdicombe's opinions stemmed from her Catholic faith. She was unswerving in her convictions and traditional values and for that I admired her greatly. I am saddened by her murder and disgusted by the online response. I really wish people would remember that if you having nothing good to say than it is best to say nothing at all.

Requiem aeternam dona ei, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat ei. Requiescat in pace.

Indeed.
Isn't it telling when posters only join Mumsnet to post emotionally incontinent rants on this board criticising women. And who use the brutal murder of an elderly women as an opportunity to descend on here sneering, seething & attacking feminist women. (Advanced search is always useful)

That they are met with a range of intelligent, empathic and insightful responses is a testament to the wonderful women on here who have shown nothing but compassion for AW and a rejection of the disgusting hate shown by too many after this awful event.

As @Ipsevenenabibas pointed out:

"We live in an era where the least succesful, most chronically online social outcasts have loud voices that are heard now. It’s made abnormal, frankly degenerate, behaviours completely normal. There's a sad irony to the fact that the #bekind mob are the least kind and most intolerant people going"