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Right-wing press perpetuating hate over Widdecombe

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YourHateIsShowing · 16/07/2026 08:41

The Daily Express and others claiming the reaction to Ann Widdecombe’s death has somehow “exposed the left” as hateful, is nonsense as usual.

There is hate on the left. Without question. There’s also hate on the right. There are totally extreme nut jobs on both sides, too. Neither side has a total monopoly on either. But I think it’s pretty lazy to not see past the noise and understand the origin of hatred on any side of conflict. Context is everything. And most can agree with that when it comes to certain situations. As a mother, I understand the hatred a mother would feel towards a drunk driver who ended their child’s life through one careless selfish decision to drive home from the pub intoxicated. Or for worse crimes we know exist. I’m using these examples simply to make the case that our value systems should be consistent. Not to imply the level of harm is the same in all cases. That would be an overreach.

Ann Widdecombe was a deeply controversial politician. She was unapologetic about her views on immigration, LGBTQ+ rights, welfare and poverty. I remember her response when challenged about people who couldn’t afford a cheese sandwich: her answer amounted to, “Don’t have a cheese sandwich then.” I’ve watched her for years as a speaker on right wing conservative talking points; she dedicated her life to politics, but very often in ways that supported the structural degradation of groups of already marginalised people in society. So I loathed what she stood for and I make no secret of that.
And why should others who were actually targeted or harmed by the spread of her views suddenly be expected to pretend she was a saint because of what happened to her? Or be quiet? Widdecombe was anything a saint and anything but quiet throughout her political career. Death doesn’t erase public record.

What I will say though, is this: what happened to her was awful. Abhorrent. What happened was utterly disgusting, AND so were her views on a lot of things. Views that had influence. That doesn’t mean she deserved what happened to her. I feel for her, and her family. She would have been scared. She has my empathy for that. In spades. But I certainly don’t think others who were the focus of her intolerance should be expected to rewrite history or suppress honest criticism of the suffering she supported within society, out of respect for some weird convention that says we should only speak well of the dead. I don’t buy into that.

I’m sure Ann loved her family, had close friends, and watered all her house plants. I don’t see the world in terms of heroes and villains. We can be either at any time under different circumstances. But for those who’ve maybe read 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, you may also find truth in the words of Covey who said “we are what we repeatedly do”. If you repeatedly lie, guess what? You’re a liar.

There’s truth in that, even though I mostly see people on a spectrum and not in the binary. I still see the small compounding decisions they repeatedly make, and more importantly how those decisions impact others. We can also accept conflicting ideas, where good people commit a bad act, for good reason. It’s complicated.
But overall, some people leave the world a tiny bit kinder, fairer and more compassionate as a result of those compounding decisions met with their sphere of influence. Others leave it more divided, more fearful or less equal. Most of us fall somewhere in between. And most have little influence outside our immediate circle.
Ann had more than the average bod, so I hold her and other public figures to a higher standard. She didn’t stack up, for me.

Ann Widdecombe accepted and even defended policy that saw totally unnecessary poverty and hunger (children included), in the 6th richest country in the world. She stood against abortion in cases of rape. And she consistently fought against gay rights. She repeatedly contributed to this. This is who she was. What she stood for. And what those who support her stand for.

So what the right read as hatred among the left today, in the wake of this awful event that brought her world views into sharp focus, I read as an intolerance not of her skin colour, or her sexual orientation, or her nationality, but of all she stood for and against; all she was intolerant of in people without choices.

Karl Popper’s paradox of tolerance explains this best, I think. If you’ve not come across it, it’s essentially characterised by an intolerance of intolerance itself. The difference is this: to be intolerant of someone’s skin colour, ethnicity, or other things they cannot change, such as their sexual orientation, or even level of poverty, certainly if you’re still a child born into it, is not the same as having an intolerance of those who punch down at them from a place of privilege.

Ann Widdecombe was openly homophobic and believed science should one day cure it, as if being gay were a disease to be eradicated. That’s a profound intolerance of something people cannot change. The same cannot be said of a worldview built on prejudice, bigotry or theocratic ideology. Those are beliefs. They’re decisions. They can be questioned, challenged and changed. Even after death. And if she and others like her directed more of their intolerance towards harmful ideas, rather than towards people for who they are, and for that which they cannot change, we’d have less hatred on both sides. But the root of that hatred, is glaringly obvious when you actually take the time to analyse it. Spoiler alert: it’s not coming from the left.

So this headline can get in the bin.
Where it belongs.

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FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/07/2026 17:06

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 13:20

Well some of us are simply living our lives not trying to restrict anyone's freedoms so no it's not for everyone. I think if you think me posting an opinion on an internet forum is tearing down tolerance in society you're greatly overestimating my contributions.

The casual normalisation of extremist language on both sides is exactly what is tearing down tolerance in society.

I'm sorry you can't see that.

And I'm sorry homophobia still exists. That is shit. And yes, for a small number of people (IMO more men than women) I agree it really is that emotional, visceral reaction it's fair to call hate.

But I also think that far more homophobic things are said or done from fear, or disgust, or herd-following (religious or otherwise), or badly understood science, or sexism, or different ideas about what society "should" look like, or even sometimes twisted love and care. And all these are things that can be challenged and educated against and improved in a way that "hate" cannot.

"Hate" is an excuse to label someone your enemy, entrench and fight back.

And fighting "hate" indeed sounds just and fair.

Except that history tells us every war won sows the seeds of the next.

So if you want to feel safe you, and we, have to get people you write off as "haters" to a place where differences that they see as so fundamental and insurmountable today just seem trivial tomorrow.

I think society was doing pretty well on that until about ten to fifteen years ago. I think it is exactly social media (and the potential it creates for bad actors to manipulate sentiment) that has done this.

icingonmycupcake · 16/07/2026 17:09

For the tldr crowd ...

She didn't deserve to be murdered ... but

ElenOfTheWays · 16/07/2026 17:10

Whisperingwaters · 16/07/2026 11:30

You take it wrong. And this isn't even touching on her tweets.

"In an attempt to demonstrate her understanding of where transgender people are coming from, Rowling even says she too might have considered transitioning had the option been available to her as a teenager. “The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge, “ she writes. “If I’d found community and sympathy online that I couldn’t find in my immediate environment, I believe I could have been persuaded to turn myself into the son my father had openly said he’d have preferred.”

The belief that gender identity is a phase, a choice, or something that is influenced by other people is a stereotype that minimizes the struggles of anyone who experiences gender dysphoria. Transitioning isn’t easy but Rowling seems to be saying people can choose to transition on a whim simply because they think it’s more convenient to be one gender than another.

In her essay, Rowling goes on to reveal that she is a domestic and sexual abuse survivor and those experiences have made her even more focused on biology, “out of solidarity with the huge numbers of women who have histories like mine, who’ve been slurred as bigots for having concerns around single-sex spaces.”
Referring to the debate around public washrooms in particular, Rowling claims she’s concerned for the safety of cis women and girls. “When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman—and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones—then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside.”

Throughout her essay, Rowling talks about how easy it is for a biological man to become a woman in the eyes of the law and how potentially dangerous that could be for cis women. The fear that a large number of transgender women are just men who want to be able to use women-only spaces unchecked is a harmful stereotype that paints trans people as predators instead of just human beings who want to live their lives.

In her attempt to defend herself against the TERF label, Rowling just ended up providing more solid evidence that she is one. She works hard to disguise her views as feminism and genuine concern for the wellbeing of all women, but relies heavily on a number unsubstantiated opinions about trans people that the community has been fighting against for years. Rowling sees herself as highly educated on transgender issues but she still fails to see how her views—and her insistence on using her huge platform to promote them—are hurting transgender people."
https://inmagazine.ca/2020/06/j-k-rowlings-history-of-transphobia/

There are no direct quotes from JK here. This proves nothing

It's just a case of you saying "I think she said all this and it must be true because this other person also thinks she said it."

I seriously doubt JKR has EVER used the term "cis" either. The rhetoric here is all the author's. She's not even paraphrasing JKR. She's just making it all up.

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 17:15

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/07/2026 17:06

The casual normalisation of extremist language on both sides is exactly what is tearing down tolerance in society.

I'm sorry you can't see that.

And I'm sorry homophobia still exists. That is shit. And yes, for a small number of people (IMO more men than women) I agree it really is that emotional, visceral reaction it's fair to call hate.

But I also think that far more homophobic things are said or done from fear, or disgust, or herd-following (religious or otherwise), or badly understood science, or sexism, or different ideas about what society "should" look like, or even sometimes twisted love and care. And all these are things that can be challenged and educated against and improved in a way that "hate" cannot.

"Hate" is an excuse to label someone your enemy, entrench and fight back.

And fighting "hate" indeed sounds just and fair.

Except that history tells us every war won sows the seeds of the next.

So if you want to feel safe you, and we, have to get people you write off as "haters" to a place where differences that they see as so fundamental and insurmountable today just seem trivial tomorrow.

I think society was doing pretty well on that until about ten to fifteen years ago. I think it is exactly social media (and the potential it creates for bad actors to manipulate sentiment) that has done this.

See I disagree and think part of the reason the conversation hasn't evolved is there is constant policing of people's language they use to explain the actual treatment they receive from others while arguing for the freedom of speech for one side only. Women are always told their anger or language about men is just as problematic as mens treatment, if they want to react they should form a polite rebuttal and not seem angry or no one will listen. Gay people can't describe someone as homophobic even when the person they're describing proudly disagreed with gay rights. I don't believe it's my place to educate people to be tolerant to me as a woman or a gay person, or debate with these people to change their minds. Men and straight people who believe in tolerance can do that if they wish. My idea of tolerance is that everyone should believe what they wish, but we should all be equally recognised and protected in law.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/07/2026 17:26

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 14:18

I may not want to personally, that doesn't mean it's acceptable for someone else to say I'm not entitled to, given there are lesbians who are very religious and do want a religious wedding. I don't buy into the "seperate but equal" argument given by Christian homophobes. She was born in a different era so what? She voted against gay rights her entire political career and didn't support my right to abortion as a woman. I don't have to agree with her views.

She was born in a different era so what?

That is very relevant to her views. She was 20 when homosexuality was decriminalised in the UK.

I don't have to agree with her views.

No you don’t but you could do get the common courtesy of not lying and misrepresenting her views.

I may not want to personally, that doesn't mean it's acceptable for someone else to say I'm not entitled to, given there are lesbians who are very religious and do want a religious wedding.

But that’s also the general view of the Church of England. I suggest you take it up with them rather than attacking an individual as if it’s all her fault. As a woman she actually had little to no say as to the rules of the church. Do you criticise Muslims as harshly for the anti homosexual elements in their faith?

You are so quick to dismiss things out of hand - it’s like you want her to be the bad guy without actually examining her views.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/07/2026 17:29

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 17:15

See I disagree and think part of the reason the conversation hasn't evolved is there is constant policing of people's language they use to explain the actual treatment they receive from others while arguing for the freedom of speech for one side only. Women are always told their anger or language about men is just as problematic as mens treatment, if they want to react they should form a polite rebuttal and not seem angry or no one will listen. Gay people can't describe someone as homophobic even when the person they're describing proudly disagreed with gay rights. I don't believe it's my place to educate people to be tolerant to me as a woman or a gay person, or debate with these people to change their minds. Men and straight people who believe in tolerance can do that if they wish. My idea of tolerance is that everyone should believe what they wish, but we should all be equally recognised and protected in law.

You can use the language you want.

I'm saying constantly eliding "homophobic" - which I woudl agree with - and "hateful" is not an effective strategy. It might mke you feel better but it's not going to help tackle the problems you complain about.

It's up to you whether you care about that. It's information not prescription.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/07/2026 17:32

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 16/07/2026 14:00

Entitled to, yes. But they are using it to talk about MPs security (despite the fact that Ann wasn't an MP so wouldn't have helped), and despite Farage turning down the security offered to all MPs. There was a Reform councillor who declared a Labour MP (I think Natalie Fleet) should be shot yet Farage refused to condemn it. Sarah Pochin laughed about Keir Starmer's house being subject to an arson attack. Farage was performative about his wreath laying in Haytor, telling the media when they should start filming him. I could go on. They're hypocrites and there is difference between speaking out and using it for your own ends.

Your second sentence doesn’t make much sense.

Why shouldn’t they talk about MPs security? Even the police are saying that it could have been politically motivated and given that now two sitting MPs and a former MP have been murdered for political reasons, a talk about security would seem entirely reasonable.

Also given the worrying number of people that are keen to justify violence as long as it’s against someone you hate as per OP and PPs on this very thread.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 16/07/2026 17:37

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 15:49

Whose accusation was that exactly? I said I think they were hateful and homophobic. Gay people can have internalised homophobia just as women can internalise misogyny. You're giving the age old "they have black friends they can't be racist" argument.

Edited

So now you're saying that the gay people must have had internalised homophobia to be friends with her?

The gay people who were friends with her are very out and proud gay people, many got married to their same-sex partners.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/07/2026 17:39

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 17:15

See I disagree and think part of the reason the conversation hasn't evolved is there is constant policing of people's language they use to explain the actual treatment they receive from others while arguing for the freedom of speech for one side only. Women are always told their anger or language about men is just as problematic as mens treatment, if they want to react they should form a polite rebuttal and not seem angry or no one will listen. Gay people can't describe someone as homophobic even when the person they're describing proudly disagreed with gay rights. I don't believe it's my place to educate people to be tolerant to me as a woman or a gay person, or debate with these people to change their minds. Men and straight people who believe in tolerance can do that if they wish. My idea of tolerance is that everyone should believe what they wish, but we should all be equally recognised and protected in law.

Just to be clear - it's disingenous to imply I am suggesting gay people "can't describe someone as homophobic". I have never said that and nor do I think it.

If that is genuinely how you have read my posts, please re-read them.

It is specifcally the assertion that people are "hateful" or motivated by "hate" that I have been talking about. Just those words. It's the reduction of other people's motivations to an irrational emotional reaction as an excuse to dismiss them out of hand as not worth engaging with or caring about, maybe even to "fight back first and harder".

PaperWalkAndTalk · 16/07/2026 17:41

OneQuirkyPanda · 16/07/2026 16:06

Anne was quite clear in her views that gay relationships and families are inferior to heterosexual ones. This was backed by her voting record and her own statements. I’m not sure her having a few gay people who for whatever reason (gay people don’t all think and believe the same thing) were happy to be friends with her means her views and voting record were not harmful to gay people as a whole.

Unless, you think having your relationship and family being viewed and treated legally as inferior or not acceptable/valid is not harmful to someone?

This is where identity politics takes over, whereby your identity is all consuming and therefore you believe that any disagreement over any part of that identity requires banishment.

For centuries people have been able to get along with others even if they had disagreements, whereas today we have people trying to justify their villianisation of an individual, over opinions generally held by the majority of people at the time.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/07/2026 17:41

OneQuirkyPanda · 16/07/2026 14:24

What constitutes respect and decency is very subjective, I would say a lot of what she said, in particular towards gay people, was incredibly disrespectful, you would probably disagree or say it was her right to do so regardless.

I don’t think me as a lesbian saying I’m not sad she’s died or someone saying some people won’t be grieving her is unacceptable or shocking. I think it should be expected given her views and political history.

I agree that celebrating her death or saying you were happy she’s been murdered is in very poor taste and is highly offensive. However, my point remains that a lot of what she said was highly offensive and harmful to certain groups of people. So in my opinion you can’t defend her right to offend people under freedom of speech or religious beliefs, while saying other people shouldn’t be allowed to say offensive things about her and should either show her respect or stay silent.

You either believe in freedom or speech or you don’t, you can’t pick and choose who is allowed to be offensive based on your own beliefs or opinions. As long as nothing illegal was said people have every right to say things about her that you find offensive or disrespectful, just as she had every right to say things about gay people/poor people/immigrants that they found offensive or disrespectful.

No one in this thread has produced anything that she has said that is highly offensive and harmful to gay people or anyone else. Several people have tried but they are lying and misrepresenting what she actually said and it’s full context.

She showed nothing but respect and decency to people she met as reported by many (including my family member who met her several times and observed her lovely treatment of others and generosity) yet you persist in smearing and attempting to justify your total disrespect for her by perpetuating the propaganda and claiming it’s your ‘right’ to do so.

Obviously it’s your right to do so, we currently live in a free speech society but the fact that you choose to at this time says a lot more about you.

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 16/07/2026 17:49

She showed nothing but respect and decency to people she met as reported by many (including my family member who met her several times and observed her lovely treatment of others and generosity)

That's fine@CornishDaughteroftheDawnbut you have to accept some people may/did have the opposite experience of having met Ann even if we don't wish to talk about it at this time.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/07/2026 17:53

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 16:11

Right, but that is a major part of gay people's lives. I get what you're saying but it's also not reasonable to say gay people shouldn't have a problem with her only having an issue with their rights and not them personally. I've explained why I find it hateful to restrict others lives based on one's own opinions or believes. What the Catholic church states for me as a long ago ex Catholic is like telling me what Mr Bobby thinks marriage means - I really don't care.

But this is a faith issue. It is only relevant to gay people who are both Christian and want to get married in a church - it is not relevant to all gays.

The Christian Church and a number of other religions have their views on this and if gay people don’t like the views of the Cof E they don’t have to be part of it and are free to get married in other places. Would you berate Muslims because Islam doesn’t accept gay marriage as well?

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/07/2026 17:57

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 16/07/2026 17:49

She showed nothing but respect and decency to people she met as reported by many (including my family member who met her several times and observed her lovely treatment of others and generosity)

That's fine@CornishDaughteroftheDawnbut you have to accept some people may/did have the opposite experience of having met Ann even if we don't wish to talk about it at this time.

Edited

Maybe they did. I can’t see any coming forward though.

And that’s no justification for a constant stream of smears, lies and twisting of her views by people who hate her because of who she is.

SionnachRuadh · 16/07/2026 18:08

Look, Widders could be blunt - though everyone I knew who knew her will tell you all about her personal kindness - but look at what the Lib Dems did to Tim Farron, who is as outspoken as a marshmallow.

Farron has voted for every gay rights measure that's come before Parliament since he's been an MP, but his party colleagues suspected that because of his faith he might have privately believed that homosexual relationships were sinful, and that was enough to oust him as leader. (And now they are led by Sir Ed Davey, the postmaster's friend, who goes in for moral grandstanding far more than Farron ever did.)

Queen Elizabeth I said that we shouldn't make windows into men's souls, but that wisdom seems to have passed the Liberal Democrats by.

OP and some PPs may not like to hear this, but there's definitely a large school of thought on the left that says anyone with unfashionable beliefs is fair game for attack - usually that's verbal, usually they won't advocate violence, but they'll cheer it on if it happens.

Of course, you think the struggle session will never come for you. It comes for everyone in the end.

BrandiedAromatics · 16/07/2026 18:08

The way Ann Widdecombe died is horrific.

I would hope we wouldn't be needlessly polarised in discussing her views. She did cause offence by her strongly declared views. A theatre in Devon cancelled her appearance because of it.

She was very reactionary and a very right-wing politician. She did not leave the C of E because of her views on gay people - it was because that church admitted women to the priesthood. This is why she turned to the Roman Catholic church.

IdentifyingAsAWoollyMammoth · 16/07/2026 18:09

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · 16/07/2026 17:57

Maybe they did. I can’t see any coming forward though.

And that’s no justification for a constant stream of smears, lies and twisting of her views by people who hate her because of who she is.

But if I told you my negative experience with Ann - my own, as opposed to your family member's - would you say I was trying to smear her?

I'm choosing not to because I don't think now is the right time and I've previously said I think she was a complex person and what happened to her is absolutely abhorrent and she didn't deserve it.

SionnachRuadh · 16/07/2026 18:14

It's funny how this works, though.

I know of a much beloved figure on the Labour Left who also voted for every gay rights measure that came up when he was an MP.

Unlike Tim Farron, he was known for going off on tangents in conversation along the lines of "I don't like queers, I've never trusted them." I have that from multiple sources. This deeply hurt a close family member.

I'm certain Owen Jones has heard these stories. That never put him off getting a selfie with this bloke.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 18:34

ShutupLwren · 16/07/2026 17:01

This thread might be the only time I’ve commented on Ann’s murder. As a lefty I’d have disagreed with Ann a lot politically but as a woman it breaks my heart to know that her courageous actions and her passion and spirit will be forever remembered secondary to a pathetic little man who murdered an elderly woman. She was a big character, fearless in the face of debate. How dare some spineless bastard target such a vulnerable older woman and murder her so brutally. I hope people don’t remember Ann as a victim of murder. I hope they remember her as a woman with tremendous courage and a strong force to be reckoned with. And her strictly performances.
No woman should die at the hands of a man and no politically disagreement should ever mean you celebrate that. I hope she rests in peace and if given the opportunity, haunts mick philpot. RIP Ann.

Great post 👏

TempestTost · 16/07/2026 18:35

Genericfestiveusername · 16/07/2026 11:23

That's fine by you, I happen to feel them actively fighting against my right to marry for years and hoping I can be cured one day as disagreeing fundamentally with my existence. Could you explain in more detail how it's not hateful when the basis of her belief is literally described as hating the sin?

Catholics believe that sexual activity is intended to happen when it could, at least theoretically, produce children, and within a marriage. That's for everyone. It's very strict. It means many people would be celibate much of the time, even married people.

They also believe everyone suffers from all kinds of personal things they need to overcome, be it over-eating, being a jerk, violent tendencies, whatever. This is just what it is to be human, but the goal of much of Catholic practice is to help people cope with these things practically and psychologically.

Sex isn't really seen as a unique compared to other human activities.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 16/07/2026 19:46

BrandiedAromatics · 16/07/2026 18:08

The way Ann Widdecombe died is horrific.

I would hope we wouldn't be needlessly polarised in discussing her views. She did cause offence by her strongly declared views. A theatre in Devon cancelled her appearance because of it.

She was very reactionary and a very right-wing politician. She did not leave the C of E because of her views on gay people - it was because that church admitted women to the priesthood. This is why she turned to the Roman Catholic church.

Sounds a lot like "She didn't deserve to be murdered, BUT she was a Catholic".

She was a typical Tory politician of the 1990s. We're retconning history. Her views weren't that out of step with the general public.

If her views were so extreme she wouldn't have been elected.

JKR was and still is as liberal as you can get, but somehow activists have tarnished her as same "far-right" bigot.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/07/2026 20:06

ShutupLwren · 16/07/2026 17:01

This thread might be the only time I’ve commented on Ann’s murder. As a lefty I’d have disagreed with Ann a lot politically but as a woman it breaks my heart to know that her courageous actions and her passion and spirit will be forever remembered secondary to a pathetic little man who murdered an elderly woman. She was a big character, fearless in the face of debate. How dare some spineless bastard target such a vulnerable older woman and murder her so brutally. I hope people don’t remember Ann as a victim of murder. I hope they remember her as a woman with tremendous courage and a strong force to be reckoned with. And her strictly performances.
No woman should die at the hands of a man and no politically disagreement should ever mean you celebrate that. I hope she rests in peace and if given the opportunity, haunts mick philpot. RIP Ann.

Thank you for this. Many of the comments on here - including the OP's - sicken me. People self importantly pontificating about her views and ignoring the fact that she was brutally beaten to death by a man. The epitome of unhinged VAWG yet we're treated to posters mooing about this or that view that she allegedly held.
Abhorrent.

BrandiedAromatics · 16/07/2026 20:22

PaperWalkAndTalk · 16/07/2026 19:46

Sounds a lot like "She didn't deserve to be murdered, BUT she was a Catholic".

She was a typical Tory politician of the 1990s. We're retconning history. Her views weren't that out of step with the general public.

If her views were so extreme she wouldn't have been elected.

JKR was and still is as liberal as you can get, but somehow activists have tarnished her as same "far-right" bigot.

I find your first sentence unpleasant - why would you think that?

Ann called feminists whingers and, as I correctly stated, and did not wish to be a member of a church that allowed women priests. There has been a lot on this thread about her attitude towards the gay community and I wished to state facts on her allegiance.

ShutupLwren · 16/07/2026 20:44

MrsOvertonsWindow · 16/07/2026 20:06

Thank you for this. Many of the comments on here - including the OP's - sicken me. People self importantly pontificating about her views and ignoring the fact that she was brutally beaten to death by a man. The epitome of unhinged VAWG yet we're treated to posters mooing about this or that view that she allegedly held.
Abhorrent.

I suppose the views we leave are a legacy and I hope that it would have brought Ann comfort knowing that once again they’re reigniting lively debate.
I can’t imagine however much you oppose Ann’s positions or opinions not being incredibly sad thinking about Jess Phillips reading her name in parliament with the list of our other sisters we have lost from the hands of men. No woman deserves to die at the hands of a man. To attack an elderly woman in her home is the most cowardly and cruel act. Whoever did this may use Ann’s politics as a motive. He may say it’s a robbery gone wrong. But I believe whoever did this wanted to kill a woman and no single woman is exempt from being in Ann’s position if a man decides to take our lives and that is the biggest problem in the entire world. It’s not left and right. It’s men and women and we don’t seem to understand how much men hate us. It’s a shame we’re so divided, we need each other. When Jess does read that list of names I’m not going to think about the politics or views of any other victims, I’m just going to feel sad that there for the grace of god go I. And I’ll feel that for poor Ann too.

PaperWalkAndTalk · 16/07/2026 21:01

BrandiedAromatics · 16/07/2026 20:22

I find your first sentence unpleasant - why would you think that?

Ann called feminists whingers and, as I correctly stated, and did not wish to be a member of a church that allowed women priests. There has been a lot on this thread about her attitude towards the gay community and I wished to state facts on her allegiance.

You find it unpleasant because you're being pulled up on your post. DAVRO.

Stop with the "I just want to state facts". You just want to say stuff out of context and out of historical context to justify the violence levelled at a 78 year old woman.