How trans people feel about correct-sex toilets, in their own words

[MyAmpleSheep]

This is an interesting Reddit thread where members of the trans community write about how they feel about not using wrong-sex bathrooms toilets facilities. (The original question doesn’t say toilets, but that’s how most responders have interpreted it, I think).

https://tinyurl.com/musmm897

There’s a mix of responses, some activist, some self-pitying, some stories that are sad. Genuinely useful and thought-provoking to read what people say.

I can’t very much influence how people should post here, but it would be very easy to only to highlight or mock the more unreasonable responses in that thread. Perhaps I’m allowed to ask Mumsnet posters to be thoughtful, though?

I assumed that Masha was having a rolling around the floor tantrum and kept dropping the phone

So you will accept that a man is a woman if he says so, but you won’t accept women that advocate for women’s rights calling themselves feminists?

I’m not sure why you’re so wrapped up in the word feminist. I’m not sure how many of us call ourselves feminists - it’s not a compulsory requirement for being a woman.

OTOH being female IS 100% compulsory for being a woman.

You can threaten us all you like, men are still not women.

Perhaps multitasking?

By the way, if we're going to throw around the Public Order Act, you should know that you've missed out two important elements. The conduct has to be with the intent to cause a person harassment, alarm or distress - and secondly doing so is permitted if the conduct is reasonable (4A(3)(b)).

There's nothing unreasonable about yelling at a man in the ladies'. And you might find that if Plod turns up, they're not on your side.

Feminism centres female people and their issues and concerns. If it doesn't then it is not feminism it is something else for which you'll need to find another word.

If one doesn't accept the premises of 'transgenderism' in the first place then you can't be "a transphobe". It is meaningless. One thing that characterises trans activism is its appropriation of the words and terms that belong to other groups and movements. Get your own stuff.

This poster is like a caricature of Bluesky and Reddit in the same way Rik Mayall portrayed students in the Young Ones. Go and talk to Jolyon about jumping the shark, he’s an expert.

Sadly, he's just deleted his Bluesky account.

Did you get the mistaken impression that I cared what I'm called? I know what I am and what I defend and why. I don't need the approval of people who put men before women.

Most of them pretend to play the game for a bit, this one played their hand too early.

1/10. Please don't see me after class.

You are ridiculous.

Women who performatively refer to themselves as a "cis woman" have the same vibe as women calling themselves "Mrs John Smith".

Foxy has? When was that?

I've got that earworm again - the "Everyone I don't like is literally Hitler" song.

I can't believe I didn't have this saved!

You're working your way through the Big Bumper Book of 'Insults to use when those GC bitches just won't shut up' at quite the rate of knots.

The "behavior" and "offense" were interesting. Evidently not a UK source.

Ukranian, according to an ally on TransReddit.
Welcome to Mumsnet and discussion about the UK!

‘Us lot’s’ response to this should have been:

Oh god, you are sooo right!
I’m truly sorry and I’ll get on with looking at pictures of kittens and leave all this nasty transphobe stuff to the ugly old harridans who can’t even woman as well as your lovely, harmless transwomen friends. Thank you for guiding us back to our true purpose.

It wasn’t so masha has got his spade and has started digging…

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You are absolutely right to cite this law, of course. This is because the very presence of a trans woman in the Ladies, given it is explicitly not permitted for a biological man (however he identities) to use women’s single sex spaces, in and of itself constitutes a ‘behaviour that causes harassment, alarm or distress’ the the female users of that space.

Additionally, by escorting such persons to the ladies’ loos, not only is that person committing an offence under the POA86 but you, under the Serious Crime Act 2007, would also be doing so.

Hope that helps.

It was kind of phoning it in. On other threads people would be talking about Russian interference by now.

It’s funny you mention that, I remember a transphobe lost a cause recently about this.

Simply existing in a space, using a cubicle, and washing your hands does not meet the objective legal threshold for threatening or abusive behaviours.
The law operates on an objective standard. Just because a transphobe subjectively feels "alarmed" by a trans woman's mere existence does not magically make the trans woman's behaviours illegal.

Today.

You aren't British are you?

Sad times.

https://bsky.app/profile/jolyon.goodlawproject.org

The saddest of all the times 😔