How trans people feel about correct-sex toilets, in their own words

[MyAmpleSheep]

This is an interesting Reddit thread where members of the trans community write about how they feel about not using wrong-sex bathrooms toilets facilities. (The original question doesn’t say toilets, but that’s how most responders have interpreted it, I think).

https://tinyurl.com/musmm897

There’s a mix of responses, some activist, some self-pitying, some stories that are sad. Genuinely useful and thought-provoking to read what people say.

I can’t very much influence how people should post here, but it would be very easy to only to highlight or mock the more unreasonable responses in that thread. Perhaps I’m allowed to ask Mumsnet posters to be thoughtful, though?

They say they are going to ignore the rules and continue to harass women so no sympathy from me.

More thoughtful, how?
We just don’t want male people in our spaces 🤷🏻‍♀️ Nobody is actually mocking them.
I haven’t read the link, but I’m not particularly minded to find any bid for using opposite sex spaces sad.

Sad times . Men have to use the correct facilities for their sex.

Archive:

https://archive.ph/xjWHO

For decades women have had to deal with problems with toilets. First there were no toilets for women and we had to campaign for them. Then when we had rights, we had to navigate finding accessible toilets that would accommodate not only the women but also her child in a buggy or pram and perhaps a toddler in tow too.

We've had to scan public toilets for hidden cameras and now we have to scan them for men. We already have our own problems to deal with. If trans people don't want to use the toilets for their sex, they can use one of the many accessible toilets that are now available almost everywhere.

They need to stop whingeing, get over it, follow the law and do what women have been doing forever.

There were loads of "fuck them, I'm not stopping" comments and some melodramatic ones about being forced to emigrate, before my eyes glazed over.

No sympathy from this quarter, they took what was not theirs, were made to give it back, but are clinging on for grim death.

I've read the first few comments and I do feel some sympathy. Some trans people have been led to believe that they had rights to these spaces, which they never did. That must be hard to take on board.

Look who the people referenced are though. Poor, victimised trans people vs the law, the police, the "scumbags" - what sympathy is available for the women who want a private space away from the people of the opposite sex (however they identify)?

There will be millions more women affected than trans people by rulings on this issue but where is the compassion for them?

Note also how it's all about toilets. Not "I will refuse to use the male changing rooms and will continue to undress with women" which has significantly different connotations.

How is that going to work if a woman objects? I sort of hope that old school transexuals quietly going about their business would be tolerated, like in the old days but I fear it may have gone beyond that, at least for now. Any TRAs marching in, proverbally swinging their dicks will be asked to leave and if necessary security called. So yes, we can stop you and we will.

Interesting, especially the hyperbole. There are two separate comments saying "They'll have to kill me" and "They'll have to drag me to the gallows"
It's a pretty big leap to go from "We've been told not to use spaces reserved for women."
Very dramatic.

I've learnt that unisex toilets as in cafes are ok for non-binary people, but are degendering to binary trans folk.

Honestly, my response to the vast majority of those comments is a simple, "FFS, grow up!"

It honestly makes me wonder how easy of a life they must have had if having to use the right single-sex facilities is so hard that they are supposedly thinking of never leaving the house, emigrating, or killing themselves. Like, mate, seriously!? There are far worse things in every day life for a lot of people!

Also, when one mentions non-gendered facilities, and only gets whining answers such as:

Forcefully degendering binary trans people is not a solution worth even considering.

Well, excuse me, but I'm rolling my eyes so hard, they might get stuck like that.

Yes, apparently only non binary people can use unisex toilets, they are of no use at all to anyone who has a gender 🙄

It’s sad because there are some obviously mentally unwell and fragile people in among the activists. But even they show a stunning lack of empathy for women. Like the man who was assaulted in the men’s when he started looking feminine. Using a gender neutral facility would mitigate that, but no, he wants to be able to use the ladies so he feels safe. But absolutely no thought to the women who also want to feel safe by not having men allowed in their changing room. They all think they’re a special case because they wouldn’t assault anyone, but fail to see that a) allowing any and all men who self-identify as women into women’s spaces is absolutely going to result in some male predators using that for access to women, and that b) their very presence is traumatising for many women eg those who have also suffered sexual abuse.

To be fair, given a choice of a ladies, or a unisex (assuming no kids with me), I'll pick the ladies.

I've been in unisex too many times where the seats up/there's wee on the floor/some bloke didn't bother to lock the door so i've walked in on him weeing etc.

How long do these muppets actually spend in public toilets?

How long does anyone? Yet using the ladies seems to be the entire focus of their very tiny lives.

What a load of pathetic whingers! And it’s always the vile aggressive men who whine the loudest.

Zero interest in their total non issues. 🤷🏻‍♀️

All the invoking MLK, the Holocaust and talks of "genocide" made me roll my eyes so far into my head, that I can literally see my rain. Bunch of whingers.😒

Perhaps they have misinterpreted the 'just want to pee' slogan as peeing is what they should want to do all the time?

Or there are some worrying UTIs sweeping through the trans population.

I mean, Elaine Miller (Gussie Grips) has research that show that incorrect sex hormones can massively increase incontinence. And of course there are often complications from cross sex surgeries…

I’m wondering how the OP defines ‘thoughtful’.

Bunch of moronic whiners

But they want segregated facilities. They aren't arguing for mixed sex or unisex. They want to segregated into sex and then use the one for the opposite sex.

(Other than non binaries - fuck knows what they actually want.)

Perhaps they have misinterpreted the 'just want to pee' slogan as peeing is what they should want to do all the time?

They literally say "All we wont to do is pee."

Genuinely useful and thought-provoking to read what people say.

Really? That's what you took from "over my dead body", "they may as well put me in a gas chamber", "fuck that", "the genocidal reality we're currently living in", "they can drag me to the gallows"?

I read hyperbolic annihilation nonsense equating using the correct facilities with the Holocaust.
I read people refusing to obey the law and respect women's boundaries calling themselves freedom fighters and comparing themselves to MLK.
I read a series of aggressive statements that confirmed my belief that trans identifying men need to stay the hell out of women's places.

And trans identifying women worried other women might challenge them. That at least might be a valid concern. However, a smile and "It's ok I was born female" would resolve it just like it's resolved butch women on the rare occasion they are challenged - "It's ok, I'm a woman."

Whenever old school transvestites are mentioned, I think of this -

I don't believe in the myth of 'long ago, they just went about their business'. They were violating women's single sex spaces just the same. Just with less fanfare.