Burnham effigy stabbed at trans rights rally

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I mean, WTF? How many more warnings of actual violence do there have to be before the risk these people pose will be taken seriously, especially just days after Anne Widdicombe was murdered?

And why am I not surprised that Green councillors were in attendance

https://www.thetimes.com/article/90b8043b-0dd7-45d0-a873-dacad5c0f227?shareToken=041a5e5b26f13a34639c5dac688e48e0&ver=article

X posted.

They make our point for us every time. Every damn time.

What next, someone will break into a politicians house and smash their head in ... Oh, wait...

This is more than tone deaf!

Well - except on November 5th when we do love an effigy of a current PM or other politician we don't really like. Burning rather than stabbing mind.

Meanwhile Parliament were debating violence against MPs:
“Plenty, including those who have been MPs for decades, said it felt more dangerous than ever – and many blamed social media for contributing to an atmosphere where violent language and abuse had been normalised.
The former Conservative leader Sir Iain Duncan Smith said: "We need to reiterate, and the Government and the home secretary needs to specify, to all those social media companies they must do something to close down on the visceral, violent language that some people use, attacking personally – as they did over her murder”
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdgx01y98o

N.B the person being investigated over comments about her murder…

It isn’t only the TRAs. The language, imagery, content of the far right is also abhorrent. About even vaguely L wing politicians, anyone of colour.

The whole dynamic is wrong. The shift to ‘if you don’t agree, hate is the only option, and the only purpose of hate is violence… here we go!’

Tribalism, polarisation, ‘no debate’ .

We have regressed.

It is as if Voltaire never existed.

Re The minute’s silence held for

transgender people who have lost their lives due to societal prejudice and violence

Does anyone have the facts for this and how it compares to people in general, including women, who have lost their lives to violence?

But they just want to pee.....

But what are they going to do when they realise the refugees they love so much don't support their ideologies?

I hope these people are found and arrested, if others can be put in prison for tweets inciting violence then these idiots should be too.

Oh goody. More completely normal, non worrying behaviour from trans-land.

And what a lovely way to add to the safe climate politicians must feel they're living in at the moment, after all its not like any of them have been brutally murdered in real life lately. Oh wait...

It’s horrible and completely unacceptable the way some Bonfire Societies behave. (E.g Lewes). Not acceptable to burn effigies of democratically elected politicians. Or, as one year, travellers.

OK, we know what Bonfire Night is based on but I very much doubt that the current generation of customers for a pack of rockets and sparklers in Lidl have any idea of who Guy F was. So it is losing its sectarian connotations and becoming simply a firework festival. Maybe?

I haven’t seen an actual ephigy at GFN in over a decade tbf

The Greens run my local council.
I didn't vote for them.
I wonder how many people who voted them in in my area will be OK with this?

I've stopped giving these people any quarter. The entire ideology is a toxic cult with a physically violent wing which in my opinion should be treated accordingly.

I no longer give it much thought but I have been evolving my opinion generally on how we as a society prioritise resources and attention. My "peaking" journey used to be something like, trans people aren't actually the most marginalised people and we should give attention/priority to others who are more marginalised, such as women in prisons.

My thinking is shifting to something like: "being marginalised/vulnerable" shouldn't be a criterion for priority at all. Society should organise itself around people who are able to fit into it competently, because then it will select for people who are able to do that.

We can't say for years that "vulnerability/marginalisation" gets you sympathy and not expect to have people create spiralling narratives of increasing danger to themselves, trans genocide blah blah, that lead to this kind of openly violent reaction because they've been conditioned to genuinely believe they're in physical danger justifying an even more violent response.

A Hackney Green Group spokesperson said

A number of Green councillors attended the event in order to reiterate their solidarity with the trans community, including holding a minute silence for transgender people who have lost their lives due to societal prejudice and violence.

So we agree that violence is bad?

This event was held in the context of the revised EHRC guidance, which works to segregate trans people from public life, exposes them to risk and makes unfeasible asks of businesses, services, and public bodies.

We obviously have different perspectives on the guidance, but could you maybe advise the attendees that the guidance makes no difference to the law, and that if they want the law to be changed they need to use the democratic process? That anything else is a waste of time?

Any protest involves various organisations and individuals. There is no collective responsibility for each attendee to account for the actions of other attendees.

But we agree that violence is bad and a politician has just been murdered? Could you not at least condemn their actions?

It's all just SO INCOMPETENT!!!

Good luck citizens of Hackney! You are going to need it with this lot in charge!

If it was an isolated incedent, OK whatever, but there is a pattern of violence by the far Left - the Trans movement has been characterised by violence from the start but to demonise Andy Burnham??? He's been so pro LGBT rights in Manchester.
That is genuinely disturbing.

Good luck citizens of Hackney! You are going to need it with this lot in charge!
Thank you. Yes, I know.
I love Hackney but at the moment ,my God, it feels like a weird place to live.

This is a few years old, but it looks at some of the numbers:

https://archive.ph/5IMYr

There was also the statement that Chase Strangio was forced to admit in the US Supreme Court that “there is no evidence in some—in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare”

eta link:

https://www.city-journal.org/article/aclu-attorney-confesses-transgender-suicide-claim-is-a-myth

I thought Andy Pandy was a trans ally?
He did state that trans women should be allowed in womens spaces

The mental gymnastics that go on from the progressive/liberal/RSOHers to a) justify the behaviour of TRAs and b) convince themselves that they themselves are in the right is astonishing.

And they usually come to rest at the viewpoint that trans people are under threat so the behaviours are understandable if not necessarily completely justified, and TERFs deserve everything we get, really, because we're right-wing extremists, funded by ultra-right conservatives/Christians* and we are Doing Harm.

*evidence for this is yet to be provided. I'm sure my cheque has been lost in the post.

But that's a long dead figure who lived in a long ago historical time when beheading your enemies was a regular occurrence. Surely we don't want to go back to those days?

I'm just glad it was an effigy of Burnham and not some poor anonymous woman they decided to stab. Hopefully now he'll understand why we think they pose a real risk to our safety.

Ah but he has blotted his copybook by expressing support for the SC ruling. Which is treason, because Heaven forfend that the Prime Minister should respect the law...

https://tdor.translivesmatter.info/reports?from=2000-10-01&to=2026-09-30&country=all&category=all&view=list&filter=united%20kingdom

Given the focus on trans day of remembrance, I think it is fair for us to assume that the trans community collect data with the same or more diligence than 'Counting Dead Women'. If we therefore assume that the linked table is accurate, then, happily, it is very rare for a trans person to die because of actual violence, and suicide is also rare. It is of course difficult to assign suicide to one cause.

The 'far Left' doesn't believe men can be women btw, ( or vice versa) cf the Communist Party of Britain who definitely don't.

I was reading that screens and brain rot literally damage kid's brains. I don't know if it's true but could it explain this level of madness/lack of empathy?