Is advocating the ridicule and scaring of trans-identifying children deeply concerning?

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The full post can be seen here.

The first reaction should always be ridicule, denial of the demand and an adult response so scary, from the home to the school to society in general, that never again will a child make the statement of cult initiation... "I am Trans/Non-binary". That point of declaration is the death of childhood in the most brutal way possible, our response should be equally brutal.

Am I the only one that finds this response extremely disturbing? Trans-identifying children are deeply vulnerable with high rates of abuse, living in care and being autistic or homosexual. How could ridicule and being 'scary' possibly have a positive effect in that situation? This just seems outright abusive to me.

What trans-identifying children need is kindness, empathy and honesty about the immutable nature of their sex. They need an adult they can open up to and discuss the factors that have led to them rejecting their healthy body. Bullying it out of them will never work and only lead to them being more isolated and disturbed.

I agree with @FlatCatYellowMat and I suspect that a lot of other people posting here do too.

Barry isnt a young man bloody hell, he's an old ish gay bloke who used to train in EDI and then found out what it was turning into and has railed against it ever since.

Unfortunately he seems to blame women for much of it, and his theory is based on, kids should be bloody petrified of getting into all this trans shit, after all they want to cut your cock off.

His words not mine. Dont come at me.

He is a member on here if I remember correctly so if someone has his user name, you can call him into the conversation if you want.

And pretending to your child that they are literally the opposite sex isn’t emotional abuse?

Subjective reality

Dry water

Cold heat

Female man

I am so tired of 'boomer' being used as a term of abuse.

Anyway, OP, I agree with your post.

Ridicule and 'harsh' responses seem wholly uncalled for and likely to be counter productive.

There is room for being more assertive and robust, but that isn't the same thing.

Me too. Am sure the majority of us commenting are also GenXers anyway, given how many of us have kids under 25. One of the most tolerant, anti-establishment, exploratory generations - the one that lived with Aids, fought for LGB rights, campaigned against apartheid, and celebrated the most incredible Boomer generation artists such as Bowie, Annie Lennox and many many others.

The ‘Boomers’ paved the way for GenX, for both good and bad reasons, obviously, but no single generation is a monolith… rather as we keep being told trans people aren’t.

I think the phrase "men in dresses" is mostly used for middle-aged men with AGP who decide later in life to transition.
They are a very different population to confused and vulnerable teenagers. The latter are deserving of sympathy and all the help they need. Whereas (in many cases though perhaps not all) the former are deserving of contempt for choosing to invade women's spaces.

Honestly, why does everyone keep responding to Baileyonice who takes over every thread they get their bloody claws into. Just ignore it FFS!

Hear, hear.

Have just posted under Barry’s post pointing out that he was wrong to advocate ridicule. Not that I have any caché on TwiX LOL

Oh I don’t know

clearly by @Baileyoniceconcepts I am a transman

yet I think that body modification to fit that image is just evidence that society isn’t ready for the concept. Body modifications are harmful - surgery carries risks and messing around with hormones has never ended well yet for anyone

so I deserve as much respect as anyone but can at the same time acknowledge that I couldn’t be a transman unless my body was female and that’s who I am ? And I don’t see a need to do anything other than rail against the gender stereotypes that eg stop me being treated as fairly as a man in the work environment when to me I clearly am a man

(of course it’s not that simple - I prefer slightly longer hair to the average man )

Shark well and truly jumped.

I don't think adults should be policing 'gender norms' in teenage boys, even if done with humour and gentle piss taking.
If your teenage son likes nail polish, fine, put some in his Christmas stocking.

If you have an issue with boys wearing nail polish, perhaps you need to reflect on that.
But of course, never for one minute suggest to your son that he has the right to go into the girls changing room.

the fetishists don't want to pass. They want people to notice and be uncomfortable - that's the point.

OMG that is so true. A lightbulb moment. That is why their make up can be so awful, despite millions of tik toks teaching you how to do make up.

Women in 'man face' = good
Men in 'woman face' = bad.

Commenter on one hand encourages teenage repression only to condemn them for 'coming out' too late as AGP. Quite the mental gymnastics!

That’s not what @StandingDeskDisco is saying.

Men in woman face = usually AGP and fetish driven, needing therapy and to keep well away from women and girls’ single sexed spaces
women in man face = vulnerable, often autistic, or traumatised young girls needing support and safeguarding.

Two different populations, two different responses warranted.

Yes. Sissification and humiliation is a big part of AGP.

Not sure what happened to the above post but I'll try again:

Yes, this is objectively the correct thing to do. Allowing male rapists into our spaces will lead to women being killed. If that means crushing the dreams of some stupid little children, who let twitter think for them, then so be it. I will give no quarter on this issue.

Be brave, everybody. I personally have experience with this. When my grandson tried making gender-woo sorts of noises at me, I shut him down instantly. I told him that his sick perversions would mean he wasn't welcome at our family home any more. I lectured him on the immutability of his sex. And now we don't speak - but as far as I know he's still a man. And I count that as a win.

I assume this is sarcasm?

I linked to the full tweet in my first sentence.

I don't see any context that makes ridiculing and terrifying children acceptable. Nor do I see how that could lead to good outcomes. It's entirely possible to remain grounded in truth whilst displaying compassion and empathy. I doubt anyone here considers an honest exploration of harms done by 'gender affirming care' to be abusive. What that doesn't require is scaring the living daylights out of already deeply distressed children.

Gender distressed children are not sexually abusive adult men. Sad you destroyed your relationship with your grandson. It is entirely possible to dispel sexist and regressive notions without alienating, ridiculing and terrifying children.

Well said

Why would you assume that? I'm as serious as cancer. Children are not truly capable of independent thought. It is our responsibility as adults to guide them. If that means using a kind, uncompromising hand to guide them, then that is what I will use. And if it means I need to deploy humiliation and ridicule, then so be it. Don't be such a baby - it's not like I'm getting the slipper out.

Only bullies resort to humiliating people and children

light ridicule and gentle humor can be ok with the right relationships but humiliation - no you are going too far