Page 3 | Mail story: Teenage 'trans student who dressed as a dog stabs parents to death and knifes pet golden retriever'

RoyalCorgi · 2026-06-28T10:50:15+00:00

[[https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15923249/Trans-furry-dog-stabs-parents-death-golden-retriever.html https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15923249/Trans-furry-dog-stabs-parents-death-golden-retriever.html]] Opening paragraphs: "A teen who attended school as a 'furry' dressed as a dog has been accused of killing his parents and stabbing their dog - then sharing macabre images of the scene with fellow students. "The schoolboy, 15, who is reportedly transitioning from girl to boy, was arrested last week in Groningen in the Netherlands and charged with double murder, according to *[[https://www.dailymail.com/news/the-netherlands/index.html Dutch]]* outlet *[[https://www.rtl.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/5618637/meerstad-omgekomen-ouders-tienerdochter-misdrijf-beelden-gedeeld RTL]]*." Horrific story, but notable because this is a girl identifying as a boy who has apparently killed her own parents. She also identified as a dog, and, if the article is to be believed, she and her friends were allowed to attend school dressed as dogs. NB The article is all over the place with pronouns.

Zoonosis · Yesterday 15:34

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 15:19

The two most recent school shooters in the U.S were both trans identified. American women's prisons are full of violent, male trans identified sexual offenders. In Britain there has been a steady stream trans identified men committing acts of sexual abuse and/or grooming children. And rather than being " amplified by the media" they are frequently not amplified at all; and in some cases the status of trans identity is not mentioned when the crime was reported. For example, the case of 'Scarlet Blake' who killed a man in Oxford in 2021. Prior to that he had been conviicted for torturing and killing a cat. The trans identity was not mentioned at all.

You see reports in local media quite frequently now which report a crime ( usually sexual and violent) as having been committed - but using she/her pronouns, but which the accompanying photograph clearly reveals is a male person.A woman was attacked by a man with a hammer in a car park in Liverpool a few years ago. The article used 'she' pronouns but the accompanying video revealed a man.

A young man was attacked and sexually assaulted in woods near Brighton by " two women" - one over 6ft and with long pink hair, and another very tall and sounding very much like they were male.

There are numerous cases. And that's without mentioning the violent sexual threats that are sent to women on-line by known 'profiles'.

Edited

Show quote history

The two most recent school shooters in the U.S were both trans identified.

I've just looked at the most recent 10 school shooters listed on Wikipedia (which was last updated on June 17th) and none of them were trans so no this isn't true. I think what you actually mean here is "the two most recent school shooters in the US that I heard about were trans; it has not occurred to me there might also have been multiple others who weren't trans and therefore I didn't hear about as they were not amplified through the same anti-trans channels where I heard about the other ones".

And in fact here's a Reuters article which soundly debunks your claim, noting there have been fewer than 10 trans or non-binary mass shooters in the US in the space of the last decade, making up about 0.11% of total shootings - given that the number of trans people in the US is about 0.5% this is actually less than you'd expect based on pure demographics, which suggests trans people are actually less likely to commit mass shootings than other groups.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/majority-of-us-mass-shooters-are-cis-men-not-transgender-or-non-binary-people-idUSL1N363273/

Nothing else you've claimed has any evidence or source to back it up. The few individual cases that you mention do not prove a trend or anything that can be generalised to a whole demographic. I think you need to do some honest thinking about both reporting bias and confirmation bias and whether these are affecting the way that you think about trans people.

Lexibletheflexible · Yesterday 15:35

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 15:28

I've just asked ChatGPT how many mass school killings have been carried out by females, worldwide.

ChatGPT has told me that mass killings are defined as there being 3 or more (or sometimes 4 or more) victims, not including the killer themselves.

It says that female perpetrators are "exceptionally rare". It has identified only 2 mass school killers it says were female, worldwide. However, one of those was in fact a transwoman, so male.

This leaves just Audrey Hale, who killed 3 teachers and 3 children in the US in 2023. Audrey Hale is/was a transman.

And, as I've posted, there was also a planned mass school killing by an Edinburgh schoolgirl who identified as a boy. That resulted in a prison term.

I think that's pretty noteworthy, and merits closer examination.

I remember when reading about the Edinburgh schoolgirl that she was inspired by the Columbine killers, who were of course boys.

This wasnt a mass killing. You may get different results if you ask it for a list of young women under 23 who have killed their parents for example. The other thing that will skewer results is that it is often the boyfriend of the daughter who kills her parents under varying amounts of her control.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 15:37

In this thread, I had a look at a list of murders transpeople have been convicted for in the UK over recent years. I fact-checked all of them against media accounts. A large percentage of the murders were extremely violent. A good number had sexual elements. There was a lot of mention of mental health issues. 2 of the murders (and very nasty ones) were carried out by transmen. 3 I think were the murder of parents.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5525061-transgender-homicides-in-britain-2000-2025-victims-and-perpetrators?

BettyBooper · Yesterday 15:40

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 15:28

I've just asked ChatGPT how many mass school killings have been carried out by females, worldwide.

ChatGPT has told me that mass killings are defined as there being 3 or more (or sometimes 4 or more) victims, not including the killer themselves.

It says that female perpetrators are "exceptionally rare". It has identified only 2 mass school killers it says were female, worldwide. However, one of those was in fact a transwoman, so male.

This leaves just Audrey Hale, who killed 3 teachers and 3 children in the US in 2023. Audrey Hale is/was a transman.

And, as I've posted, there was also a planned mass school killing by an Edinburgh schoolgirl who identified as a boy. That resulted in a prison term.

I think that's pretty noteworthy, and merits closer examination.

I remember when reading about the Edinburgh schoolgirl that she was inspired by the Columbine killers, who were of course boys.

There's also Alec McKinney (born Maya McKinney) posted about upthread.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 16:24

BettyBooper · Yesterday 15:40

There's also Alec McKinney (born Maya McKinney) posted about upthread.

Show quote history

Yes, though I see that this wouldn't qualify as a mass killing as there was fortunately only one death (and that boy was killed by McKinney's male accomplice).

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 19:52

Zoonosis · Yesterday 15:34

The two most recent school shooters in the U.S were both trans identified.

I've just looked at the most recent 10 school shooters listed on Wikipedia (which was last updated on June 17th) and none of them were trans so no this isn't true. I think what you actually mean here is "the two most recent school shooters in the US that I heard about were trans; it has not occurred to me there might also have been multiple others who weren't trans and therefore I didn't hear about as they were not amplified through the same anti-trans channels where I heard about the other ones".

And in fact here's a Reuters article which soundly debunks your claim, noting there have been fewer than 10 trans or non-binary mass shooters in the US in the space of the last decade, making up about 0.11% of total shootings - given that the number of trans people in the US is about 0.5% this is actually less than you'd expect based on pure demographics, which suggests trans people are actually less likely to commit mass shootings than other groups.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/majority-of-us-mass-shooters-are-cis-men-not-transgender-or-non-binary-people-idUSL1N363273/

Nothing else you've claimed has any evidence or source to back it up. The few individual cases that you mention do not prove a trend or anything that can be generalised to a whole demographic. I think you need to do some honest thinking about both reporting bias and confirmation bias and whether these are affecting the way that you think about trans people.

Show quote history

Most media sources report crimes committed by trans identified men as being committed by women; using she/her pronouns.

i was not generalising to "a whole demographic", but given the supposedly 'tiny' community of trans identified people, there sure does seem to be a lot of sexual and/or violent crimes being committed - though, as one might suspect, by men, and not by women ( as in female people)

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 20:10

Zoonosis · Yesterday 15:34

The two most recent school shooters in the U.S were both trans identified.

I've just looked at the most recent 10 school shooters listed on Wikipedia (which was last updated on June 17th) and none of them were trans so no this isn't true. I think what you actually mean here is "the two most recent school shooters in the US that I heard about were trans; it has not occurred to me there might also have been multiple others who weren't trans and therefore I didn't hear about as they were not amplified through the same anti-trans channels where I heard about the other ones".

And in fact here's a Reuters article which soundly debunks your claim, noting there have been fewer than 10 trans or non-binary mass shooters in the US in the space of the last decade, making up about 0.11% of total shootings - given that the number of trans people in the US is about 0.5% this is actually less than you'd expect based on pure demographics, which suggests trans people are actually less likely to commit mass shootings than other groups.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/majority-of-us-mass-shooters-are-cis-men-not-transgender-or-non-binary-people-idUSL1N363273/

Nothing else you've claimed has any evidence or source to back it up. The few individual cases that you mention do not prove a trend or anything that can be generalised to a whole demographic. I think you need to do some honest thinking about both reporting bias and confirmation bias and whether these are affecting the way that you think about trans people.

Show quote history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2020s)

Wikipedia hasn't listed the number of mass school shootings this year because the year is not yet over....but so far there seem to have been 15.
Single gun incidents don't count as a mass shooting.

Can you link me to your evidence?

List of school shootings in the United States (2020s) - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States_(2020s)

Coldwetlettuce · Yesterday 20:12

Batties · Yesterday 12:16

You really don’t care about these children do you. You’re happy to sit back and watch their bodies and minds be damaged simply because you’re not brave enough to admit that our children are being harmed by trans ideology. It’s shameful really.

Show quote history

What did this poster say and why was it removed?

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 20:19

Correction: one of the recent reported mass shootings ( in Britain) that I referred to occured in Canada, at Tumbler Ridge School ( though it was not widely reported as having been committed by a trans identified male)

BettyBooper · Yesterday 20:27

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 19:52

Most media sources report crimes committed by trans identified men as being committed by women; using she/her pronouns.

i was not generalising to "a whole demographic", but given the supposedly 'tiny' community of trans identified people, there sure does seem to be a lot of sexual and/or violent crimes being committed - though, as one might suspect, by men, and not by women ( as in female people)

Edited

Show quote history

On my AI search for female shooters, it did not include the women IDing as trans, but did include a TIM (I now realise).

BettyBooper · Yesterday 20:31

And the most disturbing thing is, of the number of mass shooting murders in the US so far this year (11) over half were family annihilations.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 20:31

Zoonosis · Yesterday 15:34

The two most recent school shooters in the U.S were both trans identified.

I've just looked at the most recent 10 school shooters listed on Wikipedia (which was last updated on June 17th) and none of them were trans so no this isn't true. I think what you actually mean here is "the two most recent school shooters in the US that I heard about were trans; it has not occurred to me there might also have been multiple others who weren't trans and therefore I didn't hear about as they were not amplified through the same anti-trans channels where I heard about the other ones".

And in fact here's a Reuters article which soundly debunks your claim, noting there have been fewer than 10 trans or non-binary mass shooters in the US in the space of the last decade, making up about 0.11% of total shootings - given that the number of trans people in the US is about 0.5% this is actually less than you'd expect based on pure demographics, which suggests trans people are actually less likely to commit mass shootings than other groups.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/majority-of-us-mass-shooters-are-cis-men-not-transgender-or-non-binary-people-idUSL1N363273/

Nothing else you've claimed has any evidence or source to back it up. The few individual cases that you mention do not prove a trend or anything that can be generalised to a whole demographic. I think you need to do some honest thinking about both reporting bias and confirmation bias and whether these are affecting the way that you think about trans people.

Show quote history

The only mass school killing by a woman I've been able to find was a transman. So that's 100%. Plus we know of another transman who took part in an attempted mass school killing, and a third one who planned one and would have executed it if she hadn't been caught first.

ScrollingLeaves · Yesterday 20:33

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 12:01

Notable because it's a girl. It's rare for women to commit murder, and extremely rare for girls to do so. How many instances can you think of where a teenage girl has murdered her own parents?

And obviously notable because she was identifying as a furry. People on Mumsnet have been sounding the alarm about troubled teenagers identifying as furries for some time, pointing out that it's not a harmless subculture but a dangerous one.

Notable, I think, that the school was allowing children to come to school dressed as dogs - something the left has repeatedly assured us is a lie put about by right-wing outlets.

And yes, notable because she was "transitioning" to male. Of course it's relevant. The overwhelming majority of teenagers committing homicide are male. When a girl does it, you take note. There was at least one case of a school shooter in the US who was female transitioning to male.

Of course, you understand all this. You are, I would hazard, simply pretending not to understand it. It's so tedious.

Show quote history

As it is in Holland might she have been following the ‘Dutch Protocol’ for adolescent gender treatment ( which Finland at first adopted then dropped)?
Puberty blockers then cross-sex hormones/testosterone.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 20:33

Apparently the Netherlands have just passed a law against conversion therapy. I don't know the detail of it but no doubt it's online.

ScrollingLeaves · Yesterday 20:34

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 20:31

The only mass school killing by a woman I've been able to find was a transman. So that's 100%. Plus we know of another transman who took part in an attempted mass school killing, and a third one who planned one and would have executed it if she hadn't been caught first.

Show quote history

I agree. I read of those too.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 20:41

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 19:52

Most media sources report crimes committed by trans identified men as being committed by women; using she/her pronouns.

i was not generalising to "a whole demographic", but given the supposedly 'tiny' community of trans identified people, there sure does seem to be a lot of sexual and/or violent crimes being committed - though, as one might suspect, by men, and not by women ( as in female people)

Edited

Show quote history

But there do seem to be some worrying indications that some transmen (aka women) are committing very violent crimes. These are 2 very different groups, aren't they? It wouldn't be surprising to find that transwomen (aka men) on average commit more sexual crime than other men, whereas transmen don't commit much sexual crime, but become more angry and aggressive than other women because of testosterone, and so commit more violent crime. Plus both groups are probably more likely to suffer from mental health conditions, which may affect the crime rate and the types of crime they commit. There needs to be objective research.

Jaffapedigree · Yesterday 21:27

Re; female school shootings- in 1979,there was Brenda Ann Spencer, whise actions and words inspired Bib Geldif to write "I Don't Like Mondays ". But I don't think she managed to kill any of the children she was aiming at.

ToiletKaren · Yesterday 21:46

She shot and killed the school principal and a janitor, who were trying to help the children she'd shot

Jaffapedigree · Yesterday 21:53

Yes, but I do wonder if it fits the criteria for mass school shooting? (Obviously, it's dreadful either way, people were murdered.)

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 22:14

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 20:41

But there do seem to be some worrying indications that some transmen (aka women) are committing very violent crimes. These are 2 very different groups, aren't they? It wouldn't be surprising to find that transwomen (aka men) on average commit more sexual crime than other men, whereas transmen don't commit much sexual crime, but become more angry and aggressive than other women because of testosterone, and so commit more violent crime. Plus both groups are probably more likely to suffer from mental health conditions, which may affect the crime rate and the types of crime they commit. There needs to be objective research.

Show quote history

I agree.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 22:31

ToiletKaren · Yesterday 21:46

She shot and killed the school principal and a janitor, who were trying to help the children she'd shot

According to chatgpt a mass shooting has to result in the death of either 3 or 4 victims (depending on the database), not including the death of the shooter. If you look for women who have killed one or more people at a school, more results will come up, though tiny compared with male crimes. There are so many shootings in the US that I think you're more likely to get an accurate number if you focus on the more extreme crimes.