Help end medical misogyny. Sign our petition.

Help end medical misogyny.
Sign our petition.

Sign the petition

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mail story: Teenage 'trans student who dressed as a dog stabs parents to death and knifes pet golden retriever'

71 replies

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 11:50

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15923249/Trans-furry-dog-stabs-parents-death-golden-retriever.html

Opening paragraphs:

"A teen who attended school as a 'furry' dressed as a dog has been accused of killing his parents and stabbing their dog - then sharing macabre images of the scene with fellow students.

"The schoolboy, 15, who is reportedly transitioning from girl to boy, was arrested last week in Groningen in the Netherlands and charged with double murder, according to Dutch outlet RTL."

Horrific story, but notable because this is a girl identifying as a boy who has apparently killed her own parents. She also identified as a dog, and, if the article is to be believed, she and her friends were allowed to attend school dressed as dogs.

NB The article is all over the place with pronouns.

Verdachte (15) van drama Meerstad door OM beschuldigd van dubbele moord

Verdachte (15) van drama Meerstad door OM beschuldigd van dubbele moord

De 15-jarige verdachte van het drama in het Groningse Meerstad wordt door het Openbaar Ministerie beschuldigd van dubbele moord. Het kind wordt ervan verdacht diens ouders om het leven te hebben gebracht en blijft 14 dagen langer vastzitten.

https://www.rtl.nl/nieuws/binnenland/artikel/5618637/meerstad-omgekomen-ouders-tienerdochter-misdrijf-beelden-gedeeld

OP posts:
likelysuspect · Yesterday 13:00

RoyalCorgi · Yesterday 12:01

Notable because it's a girl. It's rare for women to commit murder, and extremely rare for girls to do so. How many instances can you think of where a teenage girl has murdered her own parents?

And obviously notable because she was identifying as a furry. People on Mumsnet have been sounding the alarm about troubled teenagers identifying as furries for some time, pointing out that it's not a harmless subculture but a dangerous one.

Notable, I think, that the school was allowing children to come to school dressed as dogs - something the left has repeatedly assured us is a lie put about by right-wing outlets.

And yes, notable because she was "transitioning" to male. Of course it's relevant. The overwhelming majority of teenagers committing homicide are male. When a girl does it, you take note. There was at least one case of a school shooter in the US who was female transitioning to male.

Of course, you understand all this. You are, I would hazard, simply pretending not to understand it. It's so tedious.

Ive worked with a lot of 'trans' girls who are either wanting to be/thinking they are boys/identifying as male or alternative species/beings (whatever you want to call it)

I'll repeat again as I do on every thread, the 3 main factors are always present either jointly or singularly - ASD, trauma, SA

Many of them are very violent, you dont really read about it, it doesnt come to the press attention. By luck sometimes it doesnt result in murder, sometimes its just vioilent lashing out/criminal damage

They cause less physical damage/physical harm than males simply due to their size but they are just as violent.

DangerousMind · Yesterday 13:03

CassOle · Yesterday 12:40

Move along. Nothing to see here.

Only, it isn't actually normal for teenage girls to murder her parents. It is sensible to ask if this teen was failed. Maybe there were opportunities to help her that were missed? Maybe her trans identity contributed to this, for example, perhaps she wasn't given the help she needed due to 'diagnostic overshadowing'? Was she given testosterone? Was this a contributing factor?

It isn’t normal for any teenager to murder their parents, TBH.

I think there is world of difference, in terms of mental illness, between the urge to transition or wear a furry costume and homicide.

caringcarer · Yesterday 13:05

If this girl was taking testosterone and her body not used to it could it have made her feel more aggressive? Very unusual for a girl to kill.

YankSplaining · Yesterday 13:12

cheezncrackers · Yesterday 12:33

I wonder did she take testosterone?

It's a known fact that testosterone is linked to aggression, so if this girl was taking testosterone then she would presumably be more likely to act on violent impulses.

In addition, as I understand it, a lot of people who claim to be trans have mental health issues, personality disorders, SEN, are victims of sexual abuse, or something else that makes them feel that they don't fit in with society. The two things together are bound to equal a raised risk of violence.

A friend of mine from high school used to be just the sweetest person. Friendly and kind in a genuine, non-performative way, and just a great kid. Then in her early twenties, she decided she was trans, and it was like the testosterone gave her a personality transplant. Suddenly she was aggressive all the time and always picking (verbal) fights with people. I genuinely did not know who this person was anymore.

Re: something else that makes them feel they don’t fit in, she was adopted from an East Asian country and raised by white parents in an area with very few racial minorities.

ThatZanyFatball · Yesterday 13:12

Take a girl who's already so mentally unstable she goes to school dressed like an animal and instead of giving her therapy just pump her full of testosterone. What could go wrong?

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 13:22

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

I think it is notable in that there has been a spate of trans identified young people ( and adults) involved in murders ,killings, sexual abuse, child abuse - and given their tiny number - proportionaltely it is significant. It also points to a clear association/correlation between poor or disturbed mental health and trans identities.

banmusk · Yesterday 13:24

I agree that administering androgens to a teenage girl would increase the likelihood of her acting on any aggressive impulses.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 13:43

It seems that women simply don't do school shootings - with the exception of transman Audrey Hale I've mentioned in my last post.

And in the UK even school shootings by men are almost non-existent.

But here's an Edinburgh transboy imprisoned for planning, and getting very close to executing, a mass shooting at her private school:

Teenager plotted mass shooting 'like Columbine' at Edinburgh school - BBC News

The front of the High Court building in Glasgow with four columns at the entrance

Teenager plotted mass shooting 'like Columbine' at Edinburgh school

The boy, now 17, was obsessed with the Columbine High School massacre in the US, which saw 12 students and a teacher murdered.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3w1pg65wz7o

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 13:44

I think these crimes by transmen and boys raise serious questions, which presumably no-one is looking into.

ERthree · Yesterday 13:46

Where can a girl that wants to be a boy and dresses as a dog ever be "normal" why the hell wasn't this girl being cared for in a mental health facility? She obviously had huge problems before she killed so why the hell was she loose on the streets?
we have normalised " disturbed" . We are also bloody scared of not being "inclusive" that we won't step up and say someone is crazy, in fact we won't even use that word anymore even when it is bloody obvious that if someone thinks they are dog that they are bloody crazy.
We have created this madness.

Error404FucksNotFound · Yesterday 13:47

I agree that the effects of testosterone on girls needs to be fully studied. Also this pandering to this furry bollocks needs to stop. Its ludicrous.

likelysuspect · Yesterday 13:48

Grammarnut · Yesterday 12:56

Was abused if they were allowing her to dress up as a dog rather than stopping her? Unless the Netherlands is another of those places where sensible parents are told they must not interrere because 'trans' and therefore 'sacred'. This is a cult.

Thats right. She will have been completed affirmed and validated rather than treated for the underlying reasons of wanting to have some disconnected identity, hating her actual self and wanting to harm others. She needed therapy to deal with the likely ASD and trauma/SA which ever applied. That doesnt even happen in this country.

Services are completely captured.

Okiedokie123 · Yesterday 13:51

But transitioning is helpful........ they will be suicidal if we dont accept them as they are........ this never happens.

Oh dear, yes it does. Often.

CassOle · Yesterday 13:55

likelysuspect · Yesterday 13:48

Thats right. She will have been completed affirmed and validated rather than treated for the underlying reasons of wanting to have some disconnected identity, hating her actual self and wanting to harm others. She needed therapy to deal with the likely ASD and trauma/SA which ever applied. That doesnt even happen in this country.

Services are completely captured.

It's 'diagnostic overshadowing'. As soon as trans is mentioned, everything else is overshadowed and not considered. Everything becomes about validating the trans identity.

AspiringDreadfulMiddleAgedWoman · Yesterday 13:56

There was also Alec McKinney (born Maya McKinney) who was involved in the US shooting at STEM School Highlands Ranch in 2019.

Her main concern when the police got hold of her was that she'd "been exposed..I'm trans and my breasts just flew everywhere..." Not concerned about any of the victims.

testmatchspecial · Yesterday 14:37

Okiedokie123 · Yesterday 13:51

But transitioning is helpful........ they will be suicidal if we dont accept them as they are........ this never happens.

Oh dear, yes it does. Often.

Exactly. Transition is sold as a panacea. As it turns out your mental health issues continue and people need to be made aware of this.

BettyBooper · Yesterday 14:44

Quillette wrote an interesting article on this.

Trans Killers and Gender-Affirming Care https://share.google/PqRaWfE9ghZDxE6bU

The fact that the last two mass shootings committed by females in the US were trans identifying seems noteworthy as well.

Especially if you consider that this represents c 25% of mass shootings committed by females in the US overall.

Interestingly, neither of the cases linked to above were included on my AI search of female mass shooters US. Neither, (I think) are they included in Statista's data on female shooters US, which states 4 lone female mass shooters and 2 further committed with men since 1982. 153 are listed as sole males.

Mass shootings by shooter's gender U.S. 2026| Statista https://share.google/ZuydO7ZYKRx39p6DV

Imdunfer · Yesterday 14:48

DworkinWasRight · Yesterday 12:36

Yeah, the Mail famously ignores murders committed by white males. 🙄

Well to be fair there are so many of them that the paper would be full of nothing else and it isn't news unless there's something particularly different about it other than "man kills partner/ex partner" . If they cover the 2 crimes a week, plus 2 for every day of every several week trial the paper would have nothing else and be very boring. So only the most sensational ones make it to the papers.

Zoonosis · Yesterday 14:54

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 13:22

I think it is notable in that there has been a spate of trans identified young people ( and adults) involved in murders ,killings, sexual abuse, child abuse - and given their tiny number - proportionaltely it is significant. It also points to a clear association/correlation between poor or disturbed mental health and trans identities.

Has there been a "spate"? Or have there been about 3 or 4 cases over a period of several years that have been hugely amplified by the media and by anti-trans commentators despite outnumbered by orders of magnitude by the number of offenses committed by young people and adults who aren't trans?

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 15:19

Zoonosis · Yesterday 14:54

Has there been a "spate"? Or have there been about 3 or 4 cases over a period of several years that have been hugely amplified by the media and by anti-trans commentators despite outnumbered by orders of magnitude by the number of offenses committed by young people and adults who aren't trans?

The two most recent school shooters in the U.S were both trans identified. American women's prisons are full of violent, male trans identified sexual offenders. In Britain there has been a steady stream trans identified men committing acts of sexual abuse and/or grooming children. And rather than being " amplified by the media" they are frequently not amplified at all; and in some cases the status of trans identity is not mentioned when the crime was reported. For example, the case of 'Scarlet Blake' who killed a man in Oxford in 2021. Prior to that he had been conviicted for torturing and killing a cat. The trans identity was not mentioned at all.

You see reports in local media quite frequently now which report a crime ( usually sexual and violent) as having been committed - but using she/her pronouns, but which the accompanying photograph clearly reveals is a male person.A woman was attacked by a man with a hammer in a car park in Liverpool a few years ago. The article used 'she' pronouns but the accompanying video revealed a man.

A young man was attacked and sexually assaulted in woods near Brighton by " two women" - one over 6ft and with long pink hair, and another very tall and sounding very much like they were male.

There are numerous cases. And that's without mentioning the violent sexual threats that are sent to women on-line by known 'profiles'.

DworkinWasRight · Yesterday 15:21

Zoonosis · Yesterday 14:54

Has there been a "spate"? Or have there been about 3 or 4 cases over a period of several years that have been hugely amplified by the media and by anti-trans commentators despite outnumbered by orders of magnitude by the number of offenses committed by young people and adults who aren't trans?

Another person who doesn’t understand the concept of per capita. You people endlessly emphasise that trans people make up a tiny proportion of the population. Therefore three or four cases (in reality there are more) represent a disproportionately high number relative to their supposedly small representation in the population.

turquoiseshell · Yesterday 15:28

I've just asked ChatGPT how many mass school killings have been carried out by females, worldwide.

ChatGPT has told me that mass killings are defined as there being 3 or more (or sometimes 4 or more) victims, not including the killer themselves.

It says that female perpetrators are "exceptionally rare". It has identified only 2 mass school killers it says were female, worldwide. However, one of those was in fact a transwoman, so male.

This leaves just Audrey Hale, who killed 3 teachers and 3 children in the US in 2023. Audrey Hale is/was a transman.

And, as I've posted, there was also a planned mass school killing by an Edinburgh schoolgirl who identified as a boy. That resulted in a prison term.

I think that's pretty noteworthy, and merits closer examination.

I remember when reading about the Edinburgh schoolgirl that she was inspired by the Columbine killers, who were of course boys.

Shortshriftandlethal · Yesterday 15:30

Zoonosis · Yesterday 14:54

Has there been a "spate"? Or have there been about 3 or 4 cases over a period of several years that have been hugely amplified by the media and by anti-trans commentators despite outnumbered by orders of magnitude by the number of offenses committed by young people and adults who aren't trans?

A few more recent examples:

"Two trans-identified males were jailed on the same day for committing sexual crimes in the United Kingdom. Convicted pedophile "Jessica Smith," of Devon, tried to communicate online with a 12-year-old 'girl' but didn't realise the child was really an undercover police officer, while "Paula" Paul Stanton masturbated front of nurses at a hospital in Cardiff, Wales"

"A transgender pedophile was found in possession of extreme child sexual abuse materials, including those depicting babies being assaulted.Lucy Dean, who was referred to using 'she' pronouns in most British news coverage, appeared at Chester Crown Court last week, where prosecutors told the court that he had downloaded more than 1,000 images of child pornography onto his phone over a 2-year period"

This happend in my city just recently:
"A man who threatened to massacre pupils at schools for girls in response to the treatment of "transwomen" has been sentenced to 28 months in custody. Darren Rigby, 21, specifically targeted all-girls schools when he sent a series of messages threatening to "shoot and stab all of your girls,"

His trans status was not mentioned in the reporting at all.

I was aware of this because I know girls at two of the schools, and the pupils were all sent home. It was just reported that tgreats had been made, but not the nature of them.

Swipe left for the next trending thread