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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

All transwomen are to be moved out of Scottish female prisons today. 🙌🏻

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sohard · 23/06/2026 12:48

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

Scotgov will not appeal and the current transgender policy has been withdrawn. At long bloody last!!

For Women Scotland (@ForWomenScot) on X

Scottish Government will not appeal Lady Ross's ruling on prisons.

https://x.com/forwomenscot/status/2069385340159225981?s=46&t=AjtjSItRj-kgZwRzL-pdyQ

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NotBadConsidering · 24/06/2026 11:27

Elizabeth Fry was on the five pound note for years and too many people don’t even know what she did for women, and somehow think women’s prisons are just a whim of an idea that can be reversed on an equal whim.

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 11:33

stickygotstuck · 24/06/2026 10:43

Thanks Arabella.

Like @mrshoho , I'd like to think that the details of someone's old name would be automatically linked. But something tells they are not. Unfortunately, I also find the link posted by @Toffeefudgecaramel very unclear.

More generally, I'm not thinking specifically of enquiring after a person's sex. I really can't see why any convictions shouldn't be automatically flagged in someone's record. Whether their sex has been falsified or not. When you change your name you are still the same person.

I find it unbelievable that unless you tell them, they don't know that Andrea Smith used to be called Andrea Jones. Let alone Andrew Jones.

The mind truly boggles. This is an extremely serious situation.

In the UK you can change your name without any paperwork. I could change my name on my CV and then use it at my new job. I could have 2 names, one at work and one at home, as some married women do. If I don't disclose the other name when applying for a criminal records check, how do they know about it?

ArabellaScott · 24/06/2026 11:58

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 11:33

In the UK you can change your name without any paperwork. I could change my name on my CV and then use it at my new job. I could have 2 names, one at work and one at home, as some married women do. If I don't disclose the other name when applying for a criminal records check, how do they know about it?

It differs by jurisdiction

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 24/06/2026 12:04

NotBadConsidering · 24/06/2026 11:27

Elizabeth Fry was on the five pound note for years and too many people don’t even know what she did for women, and somehow think women’s prisons are just a whim of an idea that can be reversed on an equal whim.

So many people seem to have swallowed wholesale all sorts of rubbish about why some services, activities and facilities are women-only. I've seen posts that seem to suggest that having separate women's sport is a way of keeping women out of the elite competition so men can have all the medals and records. They seem to have great difficulty in grasping that it's not talking women down to point out that women's bodies are different from men's, it's reality. Women's bodies are far more complex than men's because as female mammals our bodies have evolved to be capable of pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding. Not all women actually make use of those capabilities, but that's irrelevant to evolution. Men's bodies don't have any of that complex stuff going on so have been able to evolve to be bigger and stronger, amongst other differences. The various sports were first devised to suit the male body so those who can run fastest, jump highest, throw furthest and so on get the medals and break the records. If women were lumped into the same competition as men, in all sports except equestrian events we would rarely do well, and in many sports we would be at great risk of harm, so we would probably see a huge downturn in female participation. All so obvious, but not to the gender ideologues.

When it comes to the prison system, you'd have thought anybody with two brain cells to rub together could see why male criminals need to be kept apart from women. There are roughly 87000 prisoners in England and Wales, 8200 in Scotland and 1900 in Northern Ireland. About 4% of those prisoners are female, so under 4000 women. They are far less likely to be there because they have committed a violent offence and vanishingly unlikely to have been imprisoned for committing a sexual offence. However, in England and Wales alone there are nearly 16000 men in prison for sexual offences.

How can these geniuses not see that criminals are particularly likely to be manipulative, dishonest, violent and mentally disturbed? Why would you automatically believe a man of that ilk if he suddenly says 'I identify as a woman now, so you've got to call me Lola'? Nothing else they say is taken on trust.

Shedmistress · 24/06/2026 12:09

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 24/06/2026 09:30

And just to set you straight on your other claim, that putting men in women’s prisons was not due to campaigning, this is from James Morton, a trans-identified woman, who specifically campaigned for men to be put in women’s prisons:

We strategised that by working intensively with the Scottish Prison Service to support them to include trans women as women on a self-declaration basis within very challenging circumstances, we would be able to ensure that all other public services should be able to do likewise.

Thank you, I was in a car park when I read that claim and didn't have time to go find this quote.

SinnerBoy · 24/06/2026 12:22

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 00:59

Well I've just read this, and it's as clear as mud. So highly suspicious. This man was a sadistic murderer and under his new, woman's name he had a completely clean criminal record.

Criminals not able to wipe record with gender change, MSPs told - BBC News

Fuxache! They didn't question why someone on a life sentence had a clean criminal record?! Are they so stupid that the imagine that unconvicted people go to jail?

Shedmistress · 24/06/2026 12:50

SinnerBoy · 24/06/2026 12:22

Fuxache! They didn't question why someone on a life sentence had a clean criminal record?! Are they so stupid that the imagine that unconvicted people go to jail?

Yes.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 13:55

MummyWillow1
Have any of you wondered why trans women were moved to women’s prisons in the first place? It wasn’t because people campaigned for it

Wasn't it?

Tara Hudson in Bristol, in 2015?

There was a major campaign about him when he was put inside for for twelve weeks for violently assaulting a barman (he already had a record for violence serious enough to be taken to court on eight previous occasions) and was initially housed in the men's estate for six of them before public pressure got him moved to a prison intended for women only. His case was then used as a template to say that men who identified as women should be housed with women s̶o̶ ̶l̶o̶n̶g̶ ̶a̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶l̶a̶r̶g̶e̶ ̶e̶n̶o̶u̶g̶h̶ ̶f̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶n̶o̶r̶k̶s̶.

The women were not at any time asked whether they wanted to be housed with violent men, obviously.

Ilikeanicecupofteainthemorning · 24/06/2026 14:39

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 24/06/2026 08:38

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oldtiredcyclist · 24/06/2026 14:42

MummyWillow1 · 24/06/2026 09:13

So you are celebrating society moving backwards? The comments here are ridiculous.

Have any of you wondered why trans women were moved to women’s prisons in the first place? It wasn’t because people campaigned for it or any ‘trans rights’. It was because the prison guards were sick of having to clean up the mess after they were attacked constantly. All this does is create a bigger problem in the prison population for woefully under staffed and under paid prison guards.

Crikey, don't know what to say about this. Men are attacked in prison by other men, so the answer, in order to stop them getting beaten up, is not to protect them, or increase sentences for their attackers, but to put them in another prison which houses prisoners of the opposite sex - women.
Who was the idiot who thought that one up, or thought it was a morally correct thing to do?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 14:48

In the case of Tara Hudson it was Cheryl Morgan, who lived local.

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 14:48

I suppose this could be another argument in favour of identity cards - you can only use the name on your identity card.

murasaki · 24/06/2026 14:50

Wasn't Hudson the one with the x inch 'surprise'? So terribly female of him.

Wishesandhorses · 24/06/2026 14:53

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 14:48

I suppose this could be another argument in favour of identity cards - you can only use the name on your identity card.

i thought the govt had already established that digital ID when it comes will be as open to chosen fictionalisation as birth certificates?

Rendering them somewhat as expensively pointless as the HS2.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 14:54

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 14:48

I suppose this could be another argument in favour of identity cards - you can only use the name on your identity card.

That doesn't work for scads and scads of married woman who have a married name (to be the same as their children) and a work-name, likewise professional women who use a simpler name than Esmeralda ffitchett Mount-Stephens for their work, or anyone who has changed their surname from Sidebottom, Hooker or Daft for some obscure reason.

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 15:09

I'm just saying that it would be possible to deal with this problem by way of identity cards. Not that the government would actually do something as useful as that. As far as I'm aware other countries don't just let people change their name without any kind of formal process, have more than one name at a time, and so on. It's lovely for criminals. As for married women - married people could be allowed to use both names, but there'd need to be some kind of registration process, adding the married name to the identity card. It would then be linked for criminal record check purposes.

stickygotstuck · 24/06/2026 15:11

Toffeefudgecaramel · 24/06/2026 11:33

In the UK you can change your name without any paperwork. I could change my name on my CV and then use it at my new job. I could have 2 names, one at work and one at home, as some married women do. If I don't disclose the other name when applying for a criminal records check, how do they know about it?

Yes, I know that (which FWIW I stills find discombobulating, having been brought up in a place with ID cards!).

But then, what exactly is a DBS certificate certifying? The last 2 years of your life since you changed your name unilaterally? What use is the bloody certificate then?

murasaki · 24/06/2026 15:16

stickygotstuck · 24/06/2026 15:11

Yes, I know that (which FWIW I stills find discombobulating, having been brought up in a place with ID cards!).

But then, what exactly is a DBS certificate certifying? The last 2 years of your life since you changed your name unilaterally? What use is the bloody certificate then?

It only certifies that on the day the checks were run, there was nothing to see, or that there was, and employers cam make a judgement call on whether it's relevant to the job. I have in the past, as it totally wasn't relevant and she'd been working for years. It basically lasts 24 hours. We gave them 3 years, bit someone could have been charged the next day and still had a clean one until renewal. Employers can set their own lengths for requiring a new one.

The update service does help, but you still need to set a check date.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 15:18

And it assumes you got caught; it's no use in dealing with clever people who have managed to avoid that.

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:19

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 09:19

It was because the prison guards were sick of having to clean up the mess after they were attacked constantly.

Even if that were true, the solution is not to transfer them in a place where they don't belong, and where they endanger the legitimate occupants. Like, how is that not obvious?

'oh no, this dog is getting picked on and attacked by the other dogs. Clearly it's not safe here, so instead of training the other dogs to not attack, let's put this one in with the cats instead, that can't end badly'

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 15:24

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:19

'oh no, this dog is getting picked on and attacked by the other dogs. Clearly it's not safe here, so instead of training the other dogs to not attack, let's put this one in with the cats instead, that can't end badly'

Oh, that reminds me of the anaconda in the gerbils' cage discussion we had a few days ago. It was just as delightfully nonsensical 😂

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:24

Seethlaw · 24/06/2026 15:24

Oh, that reminds me of the anaconda in the gerbils' cage discussion we had a few days ago. It was just as delightfully nonsensical 😂

Aww I missed that one lol

murasaki · 24/06/2026 15:31

Dominoodles · 24/06/2026 15:24

Aww I missed that one lol

Oh it was a doozy 😂

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 24/06/2026 15:33

I knew a python who was left in the cage with two mice intended for his lunch. One of them started to chew him when he was torpid after eating the other.

Gerbils could be very bad for an anaconda.

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