'I've banned most men from my massage clinic because of their behaviour'

[GingerBeverage]

Banning male access keeps females safer. Wonder where else this could apply?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy06xl9lj32o

Don't let Jonathan Yaniv know.

This isn't really 'news'.

I read this earlier today. Men really are awful.

I read it and was surprised the BBC were willing to publish it.

I think it's possible she's not obeying the law though? She offers a service to the public. It's single sex as a proportionate way to achieve a legitimate aim (her safety) except for the two men who were existing clients. I thought it'd be a problem for her to make exceptions. But I know the law is complicated. Is it enough for her to say the rule applies only to new customers?

Of course, I fully support her choice and would do the same in her shoes, I'm just interested in the legal side of things.

I read this with mixed feelings if I'm being honest.
On the one hand, disgusted at the men involved
but on the other hand, if you simply call yourself a 'massage therapist', outside an NHS type environment, then yes, minds will automatically think 'sexual'.
I would, and I'm female.
Call yourself a beauty therapist or sports therapist or something a little less obvious, and less inclined to attract perverts.

Victim blaming much

My sil used to be a masseuse and she just wouldn’t treat male clients, in the end.

I don’t think sexual if I book a massage, why on earth should I? I’m a bit of a massage addict.

I did book in to a new place a few weeks ago and felt that I’d inadvertently booked into a brothel. The massage wasn’t terrible but for a lot of reasons I realised I was probably in the wrong place.

Certainly if I were setting up as a solo massage therapist I would probably only see women. it’s a slightly odd piece though, not sure what news value it had.

Gosh so you what you are saying is a woman cannot offer a private massage service without men assuming it comes with sexual favour.

As far as the law is concerned, as it is a personal service she can restrict it to female only.

Men are bloody foul.

Unsurprising

I love Thai massage. On every website I go on to find a good one they say ‘please do not ask for ‘extras’ it is not that kind of place!’ I despair honestly.

Honestly it’s just you and many men that think something sexual. I never see massage and think anything but massage.

The lady that I go to for waxing treatments has stopped booking in male clients. She had so many distressing encounters with them, absolutely vile. She’s a lovely lady, attractive and a mother of 3 girls, so to be propositioned whilst trying to do her job is out of order, disgusting!

I went for a massage in Los Angeles once and they had a female room and a male room.

So the therapists were not alone in the room with the client. There were half curtains between the beds, like old fashioned hospital beds that you see on telly.

I thought it very clever.

If clients are looking for “extras” I would be looking at the wording of advertising to ensure it is clear what kind of massage clinic you are - the problem is that it’s used as a euphemism. Offering massage alongside other beauty treatments makes it clearer or sports massage as an option -only offering Thai massage would make me wonder.

there’s a massage and sauna place the next city along, it is that kind of place I’m told!

There's a Thai massage place up my street. They have a notice right there on the wall next to the door, telling male customers to stop asking for sexual extras because it's not that kind of place. I despaired too when I read it.

Why might we assume?
Link to street view of somewhere local.

maps.app.goo.gl/EqXr3V1hhyGWCUk76

@poodlemum01 WTF?

The place where I got my nails done was a beauty therapist. I occasionally would have my legs waxed so I would go in to the back room where she had a sign up saying, "Do not ask for extras we are NOT that sort of establishment".

This was with beauty therapists in uniform, certificates on the wall, nothing about is said it was anything other than a straight forward beauty salon.

Wouldn't the men go to a male masseur if a massage is all they want? Or are they after something else?
Are there male masseurs? If not, why not?

A very experienced masseuse friend answered the phone to a booking while I was visiting. She went through the offer and finished with, ‘And I don’t do sex!’.

This was pre internet everything, she’d just have had business cards and a landline phone number.

in contrast a male friend of mine was offered ‘ extras’ at a Thai massage , and politely declined ( or so he says )

@Supporterofwomensrightsshe runs her own private business and as it involves physical touch and partial nudity it falls under the ‘single-sex’ exemption to the Equality Act 2010. You cannot discriminate on sexual orientation however.
The difficulty for this particular woman is she wants to retain her existing male clients. This is against the ‘single-sex’ model - you can’t have it both ways. So she should say her business is transitioning into a single sex business, so she can retain her clients for the time being, but they should have an end date.

Well then you're wrong and need to have a hard look at yourself and your attitudes.