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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Guardian: weaponised emotional blackmail from 14yo 'trans' athlete

433 replies

teawamutu · Yesterday 17:40

The Guardian's rearguard action on reality continues. Apparently the problem is not the parents and authorities who conspired to lie to this boy, coddle his delusions, disadvantage all girls around him in the service of his own wishful thinking etc etc etc: it's definitely the people who pointed it out:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

I am prepared to feel a little sorry for the kid, who couldn't have been exposed like this if the useful idiots around him had done their fucking jobs. But the Grauniad can fuck off with the tired 'beee kiiiind' shit as a solution. Been there, binned the t-shirt. We want our shit back.

I’m a 14-year-old trans athlete. No one should face the vicious attacks I have faced | Lina Haaga

People understand gender differently, and I was taught to respect all ideas. But the vitriol I recently experienced was not a healthy debate

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jun/17/trans-athlete-no-one-should-face-vicious-attacks

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BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · Today 11:10

People have lost sight of the fact that sometimes you have to tell people what they don't want to hear to do the right/moral thing. And that's the right/moral thing by them as well as everyone else.

Also known as "parenting."

GriseldaandMike · Today 11:14

'Be kiiiiind' has so much to answer for. Sometimes the truth and firmness are much more important that being fluffy and 'nice' in a very superficial sense.

And why does the 'kind' only go one way? Why does my elder maiden Aunt not deserve any consideration? Or my Muslim colleagues? Or my young teen nieces?

Why must women and girls put up and shut up so men and boys never have to face hurty words?

If there is such a thing as separate brain sex (ah sperm has met met egg, it's a Y sperm quick grab a 'diggers and action man' brain and magic it into the womb of that 'princesses and pink lace' person that has just conceived) why should that be regarded as a more important thing to separate people by than their actual, observable biological sex that determines their strength, speed etc.

FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 11:19

EvieBB · Today 09:52

Maybe due to a glitch in the development process as an embryo.....feasible... maybe one day scientists will be able to explain it on the basis of physiology?

We share 60 to 65% of our DNA with birds. I could just as well wave my hands around and suggest there's a scientific basis for a glitch that means some people truly feel like birds in human bodies.

DrBlackbird · Today 11:19

EvieBB · Today 09:25

I obviously don't know much about this topic then.....I am just wanting to be kind and accepting but would never want to affirm anything as I realize that these things (for the vast majority) is just a phase or confusion and part of growing up for some ....but I do feel that there are genuine lifelong cases

I used to think this as I too wanted to be kind and accepting. Feeling like a kind person was an essential part of my identity. It’s taken many years and many mistakes to arrive at the irrefutable conclusion that the aphorism "the path to hell…" is true and definitely applies to the issue of sex v gender in confused children and teens.

Terry Pratchett’s novel Eric illustrates this beautifully. Especially the ending "for the good of the kids", "I meant it for the best"… that can end up being life long regrets. And I feel great sorrow for TransParently when they and their DD realise it was all a horrible mistake and how badly they’ve been lied to by health and educational professionals.

Perhaps there are ‘genuine life long cases’ as in a persistent belief that does not diminish over time, but I think we should treat those men who feel they’re women as men who feel like they’re women. Not treat them as women.

quantumbutterfly · Today 11:25

user1471538275 · Yesterday 20:17

Encouraging people to live in a fantasy land is cruel.

It's just about acceptable for small children, but once someone enters adolescence insisting that Santa and the Tooth fairy are real is a bit too much.

And rather dangerous for safeguarding if you're not alarmed by overly jovial beardy men breaking into your house or effete creatures rummaging under your pillow in the night.

EvieBB · Today 11:33

GriseldaandMike · Today 10:42

So you believe we should say to boys who think they are really girls that yes they are girls, but a special type of girl that can't use the girls toilets or changing room or enter girls races? How is that kinder than saying sorry you are actually a boy, but it's OK to be a boy with long hair, it's OK to be a boy who likes pink and it's OK to be a boy that plays with dolls.

The boy in the article is 14 the age at which my long haired DS stopped being regularly mis-sexed, the age at which he grew 4 inches in a year and his physique became noticeably male rather than androgynous.

I never said I had a solution or that it's easy. I want to protect women's rights and spaces as much as the next feminist whilst also acknowledging that there are some people who are genuinely trans. There is no easy answer.... hence the ongoing debate

LazyFoxy · Today 11:35

EvieBB · Today 10:28

I agree they shouldn't be allowed to compete

Why not? Is it because the boy in this article is still a boy? Gosh who'd have thought it?
I so wanted to be a boy when I was a child. Wore trousers, 'boys' shoes. Made friends with boys.
I think, looking back, this was tied to my parents desperately wanting a boy. Thank God i wasn't affirmed.

Have to just 'admire' the people that come on here with odd 'theories' : born in the wrong body, feelings etc and berate others to have empathy!!! It's all been heard before, many times.
To throw in 'intersex' and '2 spirit' almost completes the bingo card.
Perhaps, Evie, take a look at the FWR board for threads like ' that never happens' or ' break it down for me'
Could be a revelation.

There are a lot of very, very intelligent women here, who posters like you, insult massively by telling us to have empathy and to be kind which avoids the real issue.
Being kind hasn't helped women.

quantumbutterfly · Today 11:43

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 20:51

OK, I looked it up. I see that that's a transwoman working at a YMCA pool in America, and the complainant is a ciswoman who doesn't like her being employed in the changing rooms. The worker is saving up for her procedures. There's nothing to say she isn't genuine. If the complainant is against transwomen then of course she would say that the worker was looking at the girls. If there's an agenda, it's harder to take her word for it. I'd need to see CCTV footage of the worker working to make that call.

I'm sure CCTV of female changing rooms is freely available😶

SallySharp · Today 11:45

DumpyVictoria · Yesterday 21:44

Not OK. And he's not a biological male. Having a penis doesn't necessarily mean you are a biological male.

Oh yes it does.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 11:48

quantumbutterfly · Today 10:50

Interesting. Rejects his father's name, takes his mother's and then beats his sister in competitions.....lots to think about there.

Even at 14 he's displaying the same need to dominate women and force them to bend to his will and wishes, that seems to be an integral part of the back stories of many individuals that have been mentioned in many threads.
Stealing faces, races and names of the females in the immediate circle, should be ringing alarm bells by now, instead you have apologists falling over themselves to validate him.

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 11:48

NotBadConsidering · Today 09:09

Coddle his delusions' is hate speech, yeah. It's ignorant transphobia.

Yeah, we get it, anything other than fully affirming his beliefs is “transphobia” 🙄 change the record, it’s boring. You can’t debate anything without screaming “transphobia” so you’re not one to complain about lack of “debate”.

If you don't want hate speech pointed out, then don't use it. Especially against children.

Trans kids find getting beaten up & sexually assaulted pretty tedious too. Shame about the adults who enable that.

TriesNotToBeCynical · Today 11:57

quantumbutterfly · Today 11:43

I'm sure CCTV of female changing rooms is freely available😶

With a bit of luck some of the men involved may have done their own clandestine filming.

TheKeatingFive · Today 11:58

BridgetPhillipsonIsACowardlyJobsworth · Today 11:10

People have lost sight of the fact that sometimes you have to tell people what they don't want to hear to do the right/moral thing. And that's the right/moral thing by them as well as everyone else.

Also known as "parenting."

Quite

TheKeatingFive · Today 12:00

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 11:48

If you don't want hate speech pointed out, then don't use it. Especially against children.

Trans kids find getting beaten up & sexually assaulted pretty tedious too. Shame about the adults who enable that.

It's not hate speech. Dont be ridiculous. Hate speech is a legally designated concept. It's not just 'things I don't want to hear'

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 12:05

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 11:48

If you don't want hate speech pointed out, then don't use it. Especially against children.

Trans kids find getting beaten up & sexually assaulted pretty tedious too. Shame about the adults who enable that.

Is there any evidence this particular boy was beaten up and sexually assaulted? Plenty of people are bullied at school and beyond. It’s never justified. Most people who are sexually assaulted are women and girls. Not really relevant to whether a rich, privileged boy should compete in female sports, is it?

teawamutu · Today 12:07

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 12:05

Is there any evidence this particular boy was beaten up and sexually assaulted? Plenty of people are bullied at school and beyond. It’s never justified. Most people who are sexually assaulted are women and girls. Not really relevant to whether a rich, privileged boy should compete in female sports, is it?

It's very much part of TPA's playbook to chuck in references to sexual assault as soon as the beee kiiind argument is ineffective and tiresome references to facts creep in.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 12:10

TheKeatingFive · Today 12:00

It's not hate speech. Dont be ridiculous. Hate speech is a legally designated concept. It's not just 'things I don't want to hear'

Hate speech absolutely is not “refusing to call a boy “she”.” 🙄 I think pp has pretty much jumped the shark by now.

viques · Today 12:11

EvieBB · Today 09:38

As explained in a previous post, perhaps it is factually true in that there was a glitch in the development process in the womb and their brain was flooded with the "wrong" hormones causing a disconnect between brain and body.
Perhaps one day scientists will be able to prove that these people aren't delusional but feel perfectly reasonable owing to a perfectly reasonable physiological phenomenon

You think so?

EvieBB · Today 12:13

viques · Today 12:11

You think so?

Yes, possibly

TransParentlyAnnoyed · Today 12:16

teawamutu · Today 09:25

Oh, hello. You showed up later than expected. The 'unhinged accusations about prurient interest in children's genitalia' square on my TRA bingo card will not remain empty much longer then.

FTR I have not personally abused this boy; I have in fact expressed some sympathy for him growing up surrounded by lies. Seethlaw's very eloquent perspective has really brought it home afresh to me.

However, I think enabling his entitlement did him no favours and he's going to have a very difficult life if he thinks everyone who doesn't give him what he wants/play along with his delusions hates him and wants him dead. People like you reinforcing that belief will be particularly unhelpful.

I'm not going to engage with you further because we've done this several times before.

Bye, transphobe who has no problem attacking kids and enabling the violence used against them.

Happy not to disappoint.

OttersOnAPlane · Today 12:20

Have you been at the cooking sherry, TransParent? No one here is attacking this lad, not enabling violence. We are critical of his behaviour (racing in the opposite sex category) and those peddling lies to him about being able to be a girl. Which he can't.

It's typical of your hyperbolic rants that you see "opinions I don't like" as attacks.

Libel is a thing. Stop accusing posters on this board of "enabling violence."

EvieBB · Today 12:22

teawamutu · Today 12:07

It's very much part of TPA's playbook to chuck in references to sexual assault as soon as the beee kiiind argument is ineffective and tiresome references to facts creep in.

What is TPA please?

FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 12:22

EvieBB · Today 11:33

I never said I had a solution or that it's easy. I want to protect women's rights and spaces as much as the next feminist whilst also acknowledging that there are some people who are genuinely trans. There is no easy answer.... hence the ongoing debate

You are at the start of a journey many of us have taken.

At the start, you think there must surely be a reasonable compromise whereby society can most of the time make believe trans people are actually the opposite sex, with limitations that everyone agrees are reasonable because of course they and everyone else realise aren't really the opposite sex.

And you assume that trans people who you have been told can't help how they were born and suffer so deeply from lack of recognition will understand that this is a concession and courtesy extended to them out of care and support, and appreciate this.

But as you learn more, you realise that far from being grateful, this suggestion incenses the political trans activists who are driving the agenda in politics and organisations. You are told that anything other than complete capitulation, TWAW and TMAM in all ways and all contexts, is dispicable hate. You are told that to suggest sex is also significant is the same as celebrating children's suicide and calling for genocide.

And you realise that this anger is very very similar to the anger some in society have always directed at "uppity" women, and that for some TRAs it has become less about supporting trans people and more about beating the boogeyman TERFs.

And you start to question what this "feels like a woman" actually means, and what it implies about how those people assume you as a woman must feel or think or live.

And eventually, you come to realise the whole thing is just sexist stereotypes, and actually there is no place where some men are legitimately more like women than other men because of their minds that is not less open minded amd less sexist and less reductive of women than simply recognising that man/boy are words for the male half of humanity and women/girl for the female, and everything else is just personality that can and should be absolutely fine for either sex to express.

quantumbutterfly · Today 12:23

SabrinaThwaite · Yesterday 21:59

Maybe they give them out in boxes of cornflakes?

Well thank you for that mental picture.

EvieBB · Today 12:24

EvieBB · Today 12:22

What is TPA please?

Sorry, just read the full thread. I presume you mean the poster TransParentlyAnnoyed..