Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Yes indeed that would be silly.
However as I explained in some detail why I don't believe Lowe's motivation is care for the victims, giving examples, I hardly think that applies to me.
I'm sure Lowe does believe he's 'doing the right thing'. The man does not believe the UK should be ethnically and culturally diverse, and no doubt thinks its the right thing to work towards that no longer being the case. I believe he is entirely sincere in this, despite me not agreeing with him.

Yes, so he’s “exploiting” the issue for political gains in the same way people do across the political spectrum on a whole range of issues, assisted suicide and Gaza being just two of those.

I hope that every testimony is scrutinised and linked back to whichever child protection agencies, police, local authorities that had any involvement. Will these victims be part of the Beaconport investigation that is reopening the closed cases?

Naming all those individuals and organisations complicit in the abuse will be a start. Everything out in the open no matter how uncomfortable that may be.

Can we reach a point where mainstream news programmes are comfortable reporting on the systemic rape of children by muslim Pakistani men as they do with the historical child abuse by the Roman Catholic church.

“Do I think Rupert Lowe would have originally been as keen if the perpetrators had been England football fans rather than Pakistani males? No, I think he started this for divisive reasons“

What a ridiculous argument. Firstly there are no English football gangs going about raping many thousands of young girls. Secondly, if there were, they would have been arrested immediately and locked up for such crimes.

In the case of Pakistani Muslim rape gangs, as we all know, the race card was played over and over and over again. Many guilty men are still walking the streets because they got away with disgusting crimes against children simply because the girls were white and the perpetrators were not. The two tier justice system was at work 30 years ago.

I can see you’re offended that I think the way some left wing people have behaved over this issue is - shock horror - worse. So I stand by my statement that he cares about these girls at least as much if not more than many on the left who could not give less of a fuck whether they receive justice or have their stories heard, because it’s inconvenient. You are free to disagree, obvs.

On the one hand you have people trying to come to the UK on dinghies risking their lives and on the other you have people of immigrant stock with a UK passport, breaking the law and behaving very badly. Do they realise that it is a privilege to have a UK passport and live in a country like this, whatever its faults? I also saw a middle class student protester the other day proclaiming that we are "balls deep in a fascist state." Yes dear. Try living in an actual Fascist state. So tired of all this.

That’s a weird metaphor. Surely if we were “balls deep” that implies that’s what the country has enthusiastically chosen, and if so, your protest is unlikely to have much effect.

He is doing something with it, he is showing it to the world. Now the world must do its part and act accordingly.

I'm not sure if you want that. I'm not from the UK and read the report and came here and read this discussion and all I really want to do is nuke the UK.

Why do you want to nuke the UK ?

Lowe bots … come on!

People can think this is an important report without being called names.

Most of us have pointed out we don’t have any affinity with Lowe or Restore - nevertheless we think this report is important. I wish someone else had commissioned it from a mainstream political party but they didn’t!

What the fuck??

You could message @mnhq and ask them.

Someone probably reported it and they deleted it without reading the thread to get any context into why you posted it.

Because the response to the reporting the below atrocities is 'I don't like the guy who arranged the report' and 'far-right'.

A baby was abused and had cigarettes stubbed out on it while the mother was forced to watch; the baby was then killed.
Girls were set on fire.
Girls were sent to “red rooms” to be tortured, some of them killed, some of it livestreamed.
One girl was raped by a dog while men bet on whether it would vaginally or anally rape her.
Girls were forced to have abortions with knitting needles.
Glass bottles, keys, baseball bats, and other objects were forced inside them, some shattering.
Girls were gang-raped by dozens of men at a time in “party houses.”
Girls were whipped, hung upside down, suffocated, and urinated on.
Girls as young as 5 or 6 were tied up and abused.
Girls were locked in dog cages.
Girls were branded with an “M” for Muhammad.Girls were threatened with being killed and fed to pigs.
Girls were mocked for wearing a crucifix during the rapes.

And that’s all beyond terrible. Your comment about nuking the UK was out of line though.

And so you thought the logical conclusion was to... bomb those girls, their families, and their supporters?

There's a reason for highlighting the ethnicity of the perpetrators. Because the ethnicity has functioned as a shield protecting them from investigation. And we know this from the Jay report (and sadly from personal experience for many).

Actually, two reasons for highlighting the ethnicity - because the gangs are predominantly organized along ethnic lines.

You know what, I'm going to go for three reasons. Because there are options with immigrant criminals that we don't have with native criminals - deportation.

It is the attitude of "we must not talk about ethnicity" that shut down the police investigations in the first place. People can decide what they want to do about it or not, but lets stop pretending there isn't a huge ethnic and immigration component in sexual abuse in this country. Especially of the organised kind.

How many here would be insane enough, as women, to walk around Pakistan or Afghanistan or much of India, unprotected? And if not, why does anyone imagine a plane journey changes people? It's not the landscape in Pakistan that sexually assaults you.

Bring yourself to acknowledge the link between the culture of these men and their crimes. Just once.

If you're suggesting that white Brits don't do the kinds of things described in this report, I have a huge problem with what you're saying. I know that they do. Many, many girls and women who've been trafficked by white Brits know that they do.

I think it was good that the Pakistani rape gangs were separately investigated because the clan links are different and police and social workers should be aware and take them into account, though I wish other forms of trafficking and abuse were also investigated and taken seriously. I am very glad that these victims got to tell their stories because they're important. It's a huge problem and the UK needs to fix it.

But please keep in mind that the kinds of things described in the report are not uncommon for people who have been trafficked, regardless of whether the traffickers are Pakistani, British, Romanian, Indian, or whatever. Traffickers only care about the girls or women if it helps them make money. You are not human to them. You are a disgusting sex toy whose only value is in how much money you can bring the trafficker and, to a lesser extent, satisfy him sexually. (But many have fetishes, including sadism, and fetishes escalate. Think about what that means for the girls or women.)

At least when I was being trafficked (and when the women I knew who had been trafficked were trafficked), the police did not care, looked down on the girls/women and were often involved, again, regardless of the nationality or ethnicity of the trafficker.

I truly hope things are starting to change for all the women who are being abused or trafficked and I hope that all the victims of the Pakistani rape gangs find peace, hope, and justice.

Yes, there are people across the political spectrum who will take up the cases of victims because the crimes committed against them serve as examples to support an agenda/belief system. And this thread is about a report that exemplifies that.
Lowe wants a white Christian UK, and that, not the wefare of working class girls, is his motivating grievence.
I think we should be able to recognise that, and acknowledge when we feel that the input of an activist is unhelpful, in that it prevents any report from keeping women victims front and centre and overlooks other harms committed against them by other men who don't fit the narrative.
I also think it should be possible to put the obsession with left and right aside for a moment and look at this man and this report, to discuss whether his sole focus on immigration, and the resulting weakness of the report serves women well.
Yet any woman trying to do this on the thread is met with accusations of caring more about perpetrators than victims or dismissed as 'a bit silly' for doubting him because they disagree with his politics.
If this was left/right political, the smart move would be to join the chorus of praise for Lowe, given at the moment he is a huge asset to the left. But this is about the politics of sex and how women are abused and exploited by men, and how helpful we feel this report is to women.

At this point I feel the repeated calls of "but what about the victims of White rapists?" don't so much help the victims of White rapists, so much as hinder helping the victims of the ethnic ones.

Rape has been a thing since before language. We're not going to solve it overnight. But the closest we've ever come to that is the modern Christian West.

And feel free to crack open some history books or stats if you want to check that.

Lowe wants a white Christian UK, and that, not the wefare of working class girls, is his motivating grievence.

His daughter in law is of Libyan descent.

And Zack Polanski is Jewish.

I think most of us here realise Rupert Lowe has a political agenda. Don't all politicians! What we don't want is for that to be the focus here. A report has been produced with valid testimonies of the survivors of this horrific child abuse that should be heard.

There are at least 2 previous reports, well respected and full of recommendations. Yet there is still a real problem with our establishment in stating that the rape gangs of children were and are mainly committed by a Muslim Pakistani men.

As we saw in Dundee more recently, children are being criminalised still today with police taking the word of an adult male before that of a child. Even when that child is presented with cuts and bruises.

And?

Yes all politicians have agendas and I’m not convinced the silencing agenda from Labour and co is better, in fact it’s worse.