Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Baroness Casey report just in case anyone would like to read.

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/baroness-caseys-audit-of-group-based-child-sexual-exploitation-and-abuse

I have nothing but sympathy and admiration for the victims of this scandal. Their bravery in giving testimony for this report, without the benefit of the support which would be offered as part of the official inquiry, is admirable.

Many posters here are yelling ‘why don’t you believe the victims?’ at posters questioning the motives of those commissioning the report.

As far as I can see, almost no posters are disbelieving the victims. What is totally objectionable in this discourse is that those of you supporting Rupert Lowe because he commissioned this report (using other people’s money) cannot see that the victims, and all of you supporting him, are being massively exploited for political and personal gain, by precisely the people you think are championing them.

Very rich white men on the right are not at all concerned about poor women and girls. It is clear in all their rhetoric, the proposals to disadvantage women through the tax system, plans to wreck the NHS and sell it their rich friends, the cosying up to other predatory men (apparently okay as long as they are white) and the willingness to exploit women like Sammy Woodhouse, who somehow found herself platformed at a fascist event, having been either conned or manipulated into it.

Those victims deserve better treatment than to be used in a dangerous political game by powerfully-backed, foreign-funded, fascist-leaning men who want to disrupt the usual checks and balances we have in our political system, and win power for its own sake and their personal gain, and then will turn on the very people they have exploited to get there. Anyone who believes that Restore or Reform have the best interests of the working people of this country at heart, and will work to improve their lives, needs to get off social media, start reading some history, look at the state of other countries which have fallen into the same trap and have a big think before they approach a ballot box again.

It’s not the victim testimonies which are being objected to. It’s the exploitation and manipulation by those seeking to gain from publishing them in this report, bookended as it is by propaganda.

No you didn't. You replied with a post. But you did not answer my question.

Every time I see that figure, I know where they got it from.

It was Malcolm Pearson in a House of Lords debate in 2019, taking 1400 identified victims in Rotherham and scaling that up to the national level.

But, even accounting for underreporting, most English towns (thankfully) are not Rotherham.

The Rupert Report takes the 250,000, and not only assumes it to be rigorously established fact, but says it's a bare minimum.

Any experts who have examined this say that, while the number is sure to be horrific, there simply isn't good enough data to make an estimate (and the fact that there isn't good data is a big part of the problem).

It was a question really, I had no idea really who he was. Not really man of the people though is he. Yes I agree with Pakistani grooming gangs but they aren’t the only grooming gangs most are predominately white British males, some black African now Middle Eastern. This should not be highlighted as a racial the it is more of a man thing.

The thing that I’m struggling with, is that the report says that’s precisely where they got that number from.

The figure is specified as if it’s fact in the “Executive Summary” and then later, on page 12, explains where that estimate has been derived from, and that it is an estimate.

Which I feel like the people claiming it as fact would know, if they’d just read a little bit further. Or… read it.

Exactly this

That is a daft comparison.

I think there are a few instances when making what most people consider an allegory of Adam and Eves descendants populating the earth (there is a lot of really weird stuff in Genesis).

The Bible explicitly forbids incest in a number of places, both in the laws laid down by Moses in the old testament, and Paul's letters rebuking the early church in the new testament.

No one could state that it forms an integral part of modern Christianity's prescribed beliefs or actions.

Wheras Mohammad is central to Islam and is, I believe, considered an example to follow.

It is very difficult to see how he is supposed to be the example to live up to , oh except not that bit.

Even if child rape is not explicitly encouraged/condoned by Islam, I don't think it's possible that that attitude towards girls doesn't bleed into the religion and culture. How could it not?

You specifically said the report said “nothing” about helping anybody. You weren’t being honest, were you? As I said, the content of the recommendations, whether they are sensible or not and that you disagree with most of them is not the point.

Yes, notice that the recent conviction for the murder of Henry Novak was met with calls from the Sikh association for an enquiry into failures of the police in this case. Contrast this with Pakistani/Muslim associations who cry bigotry and victimhood at every opportunity rather than accept the rotten apples in their midst, particularly when it comes to extremism and rape gangs.

Sorry. I was referring to conclusions.

I have skimmed the report and shocking it is. It lacks the balance and sobriety it needs if it is to be taken seriously. Rupert Lowe is a canny operator, rolling up his sleeves and being present in a way that makes Nigel Farage look like a showman. In this report, anti-immigration, anti-multi-cultural evidence has been gathered, paid for by the public, which he can now use to take votes from Reform and Labour.

The fact that the UK is in the dangerous position of the far and extreme right encroaching upon mainstream politics should shame Labour and the Conservatives, who by failing to act effectively in 2008, when it became clear that mass immigration from the Middle East and Africa, was coming to Europe, have facilitated the creation of a new political order.

Typo

It absolutely should be for certain crimes.

i see there’s a thread in AIBU too https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5543280-5543280-aibu-to-ask-about-the-rape-gang-inquiry-report?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=app_share

There is no absolutely about it. Rupert Lowe is forgetting, when he cites Christianity as the faith of the UK, that Christians are not permitted to kill. That injunction includes state murder.

I've worked in the public sector. I've seen at first hand the mentality where social workers, local councils, NHS, police, state media etc will tie themselves up in knots in order to maintain their 'progressive' ideology where ethnic minorities are always the victims or good guys and can never be oppressors.

It's so unrealistic and unnecessary and it only causes resentment. People should all be treated without fear or favour.

It's shocking what happened these poor girls. Unfortunately, although most men from these countries are law abiding, some, who are not, are here already and going nowhere. It's going to be in the back of people's minds. More reason to mistrust and be grateful our girls are home all evening instead of out playing in the street, like they used to.

My DIL grew up in w Yorkshire. The harassment and fear is real girls from families who are vigilant about this live with fear. The last two years in Leeds it's got worse she said. They're emboldened by the cover ups and lack of action. It's not just locals they're cherry picking students. You can't trust the taxis now.

I can imagine how difficult it must be in some public sector organisations. My DD and a friend, both white, were playing the the school yard (state school) when they were in Y6. A male classmate of West Indian heritage, had taught himself a rap whose lyrics said white girls are easy and will go with anyone. The friend insisted they report the incident to a teacher. A few of the school staff met and realised that had a white boy sung an equivalent rap to two black girls, they would have recorded it as a racist incident. So they recorded it as the school's first anti-white racist incident, then rang me to let me know.

The incident revealed that like them, I saw only ethnic minorities as victims of racism as my first thought when hearing DD had been involved in a racist incident was to think about how we would handle having a racist DD.

As someone who was once in a taxi with John Warboys, I can confidently say you never really could trust them. And minicabs were known to be a bad idea for young women even in the 90s.

That's so sad. It makes me feel really angry. It has echoes through the country, even in the south where we live. Yet, it's all hushed up in case it causes offence. We should be shouting what happened from the rooftops and making sure it stops happening. Smash the...

I don’t think I’ve ever trusted a taxi, apart from the one my uncle drives.

I have never, and would never, either get a taxi home from a night out by myself, or allow a female I was out with to do so.

This.
Our communities deserve answers too. Why was this allowed to go on in the places where we live? We are owed an explanation. Obviously the priority is the girls and young women. But our communities want accountability too.

I was in Leeds recently and all Ubers/taxi drivers were Pakistani drivers.
I saw no white taxi drivers at all in Leeds, not one.
I wouldn’t take a taxi after dark I did daytime but not sure I’d do it a again.

Ok I'll put this another way; I would be far more likely to listen to such testimonies in a process run by someone else. I would add that this is a horrific problem which is as old as time. And it seems strange to me that Rupert Lowe is suddenly interested in this problem when he has a 'political party' to promote and position and when one of his funders is Elon Musk who has an agenda.