Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Character assassination doesn’t help. Sammy W doesn’t deserve it.

It's not character assassination if she was a featured speaker at Sellner's conference. Which she was.

Yeh it is. Focus on the victims not these attempts to undermine and dismiss.

Do you think it helps the credibility of the survivors if one of their most prominent advocates is photographed at a fascist knees-up?

This thread has become a case study in why the white working class girls, and the sex crimes of the Pakistani / British pakistani paedos were/ was ignored for so long.

Who are you relying on to bring it to light?

Please don’t tell me how OSPC’s work, I deal with them for a living and am not relying on what “someone said.”

Pakistan OSPC are issued at regional level. I’m looking at one, as we speak. They’re issued at national level if you follow the High Commission (embassy) route. Same for India. Unless you’re suggesting that they are bribing the embassy.

Ghana issue theirs as a national certificate, regardless of which route.

In both cases, the certificates are standardised and printed, rather than handwritten by an officer you could give £2k to.

What’s this got to do with anything, out of interest? You don’t need an OSPC to arrive or live here, you need one to work in certain roles, mainly regulated activity.

Unless the Pakistani gang members were also nurses (?) their lack of OSPC has absolutely no relevance, it’s not a visa or residency requirement.

The Mail on Sunday did a big splash on Restore activists attended Sellner's conference.

Perhaps out of regard to her history, they didn't splash on Sammy W being one of the main speakers.

Do you think we're under an oath of silence not to criticise Sammy if she chooses to keep company with literal fascists and white nationalists?

Or do you think it might be helpful to Sammy's cause if she realises she's giving an enormous gift to deniers?

I’ll answer after you. Who are you relying on to bring the information in this report to light?

@SionnachRuadh
Have you read the item on Wikipedia that is part of the biography of Sammy Woodhouse? It gives her story.
You question of her political interests. Why? Do you think that she would deserve less help from the Law if she were a Communist or a Reform supporter. I see from your comments that you have less sympathy for her because she is Right of Centre.

I have just checked on Muslim Mumsnet and there is no thread on the topic of Gang Rape.

That is the most shocking thing I've read all year.

How is he able to afford that? Where is his money coming from then. landlord, shareholder +

Restore Britain MP Rupert Lowe received more than £10,000 from X in a single month, having earned more than £70,000 from the platform since being elected.
Having been suspended from Nigel Farage's Reform UK in March last year over bullying complaints – which he denied – Lowe has since set up his own political party, Restore Britain.

I have no interest in playing your silly verbal games.

I take the - maybe controversial in these parts - view that I won't criticise survivors who talk to Tommy Robinson. I don't like Tommy, but there is a good chance he's been the only prominent person to give them a hearing.

Getting on a plane to be a headline speaker at a conference organised by one of Europe's most prominent neo-nazi activists is much less easy to explain away. And it's a gift to anyone who wants to attack Sammy's credibility. I personally would much rather have Sammy protect her brand.

Whatever don’t answer it means I don’t have to for your silly verbal games either.

The typical attacks are there on this thread, some prefer a cover up.

Oh so they should have kept their mouths shut until the 'right' kind of politician wanted to hear from them, is that it? Which 'good' politicians were lining up to give these girls a voice?

Im so furious about this, I wish we had class action lawsuits because the police, social services, NHS and both Labour and Torys need to be landed with one.

@PollyNomial You still didn't answer, I'll remind you. You were very quick to tell us what white men think about white girls. What do muslim men think about muslim girls?

Hmm

a Communist or a Reform supporter

Interesting way of putting it. The only time I see those groups bracketed together is by Rupert Lowe fans on X who strongly believe that Nigel Farage is controlled by "International Zionism".

you have less sympathy for her because she is Right of Centre

I don't give a fuck whether she's right wing, left wing or Monster Raving Loony. I'm simply pointing out that lots of people who don't have the interests of grooming gang victims at heart would love to attack her credibility, and being a headline speaker at a white nationalist conference organised by notorious neo-nazi activist Martin Sellner is a gift to those people.

Prove me wrong.

Yep a politician that meets the requirement won’t do it, they have too much to lose. They’ll use everything to de-platform and cover it up.

I don't give a bollock WHAT his motives are. It's a fact that he has done what no other politician from any political party was willing to do.

Give these victims a voice

Others (including two governments) had their chance to address this.
I'm more interested in THEIR motives for not doing so.

He was independently wealthy before entering politics, I don’t think his X income makes that much difference to him.
Whatever you can say about Lowe and there are many negatives it’s not fair to characterise him as a grifter.
Whatever the recommendations of the report offer should be taken seriously, 250000 girls abused is quite enough.

Yes, it is this clan-based child sexual exploitation that is specifically Pakistani-heritage men. They are usually all connected through family ties, uncles, brothers, cousins etc.

If we already have plenty of sexual predators in the UK, does it make sense to import more?

I did; it's a shame it didn't satisfy you but there is no convention, rule or law to say that I must.

Do you mean pages 159-163 ? Longer sentences, deportations, death sentence, deport connected families, close Islamic centers and visa bans. Special provisions for children giving evidence, no fear of being called racist, a Pakistan task force, compensation for victims, and promoting the extended family and family values.

And this line on page 163:

The state should not interfere with a family’s ability to protect itself from harm.

I never said I disagree with them.

What I do see is a report with a lot of dodgy figures and no evidence that these recommendations are what is needed.

The “250,000” figure is a guesstimate, based on nationalising the figures in a small group of LAs.

It’s not fact, and shouldn’t be said as if it is.

Whatever the number is, it’s that exact amount too many, but the 250,000 specifically is not proven.