Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Was it the far right that helped facilitate and cover up the rape of thousands of girls? I would suggest were in very real danger from the people who covered this up, wouldn't you?

I would add that there is specifically value in understanding how these clan-based networks operate, in ways that are different from cultural assumptions for white British people.

For example, our assumptions about nepotism and "who you would lie to the police for" typically assume that it's quite a small group of immediate relatives rather than a wide network. So all our official safeguards only ask about spouses and siblings. And things like biraderi clan affiliation are NOT recorded, so there is no official link between, say, a rape gang member and a police officer "clanmate" who destroys evidence on his behalf. The state only observes that they're the same race (and it's illegal to cast aspersions on the police officer on this basis).

All cultures are not the same and you need to specifically look at individual cultures to understand how to disrupt criminal behaviour emerging from each one.

There are parts of Rotherham that are no go areas for white people and none Muslims. Where grooming, rapes and sexual violence are still accepted by these communities. It’s incredible how those not living or working in these places believe it’s a multicultural utopia of cohesion. It’s anything but. And it is not the white community that have made it so. What was the comment that Labour MP Naz Shah retweeted again - oh I remember "Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity".

The right and the left have covered up, not only the left. The last Conservative government failed to implement the recommendation of an enquiry into the rape gangs following the publication of the Jay report. My personal view is that an early response from a moderate government would have been preferable to an overdue response from the far right (if that is where we end up).

To be fair top her she claims that she reposted the spoof account by accident and immediately deleted it. I choose to believe her but the reason that it is so believable is that many perceive the left to believe that the diversity project to be of greater importance than truth, justice and the protection of women and girls

The UK criminal justice system is not set up to deal with clan-based organised crime. It's not necessarily a Pakistani or even Mirpuri thing - if Rotherham were full of Albanians we'd probably have a similar situation.

The thing we keep coming back to is, it's not just a case of Abdul and his mates being up on a rape charge, it's Abdul's uncle who owns the taxi firm, and Abdul's mum who's deputy leader of the council, and Abdul's cousin who's a police officer, and Abdul's sister who works in social services, and Abdul's other uncle who's a bigwig in South Yorkshire Labour Party. And also Keir Starmer saying this is all Elon Musk's fault, and Andy Burnham saying "let's not talk about local government corruption, let's join in a chorus of Don't Look Back In Anger".

We have a culture that (rightly!) says we punish individuals, we don't believe in collective punishment of communities, but that creates a huge weakness for authorities not used to dealing with communities who have particularly strong ingroup loyalties.

I think there are ways around this, and they involve tough RICO-style enforcement similar to anti-Mafia enforcement in the US.

Where I differ from some here is, I have long memories of people saying "this isn't a real problem, these are just Nick Griffin and Tommy Robinson talking points", which means we need reports based in inconstable facts, and we need advocates who can't be dismissed, and I don't believe Rupert and the Black Shorts are helping matters.

I live in a predominantly muslim area now (not by choice) and I do not feel safe going out to the local shop alone at night.

I lived in a similar area previously, working class, council estate but it was more British people, white and black and my neighbours were a Sikh family and I felt much safer.

Last time I went to get milk in the dark (winter so not late, just dark) there were 2 cars with young muslim men (and don't ask me how I know they were muslim -because I live literally 60 second walk from a muslim heritage centre and they hang outside there all the time between the mosque and the asian shop/dessert shop.)

And they were using those little silver cannister things and shouting at me about my hair colour (red) and asking about my pubic hair. I was really upset as one got out of the car and was laughing and telling me to 'just wait and come speak to them/they'reonly kidding, they just wanted to ask me a question'

I went into the shop and was visibly shaken and told the (again muslim) shop owner the boys outside were harrassing me and he didn't speak to me. He didn't say a WORD. Just stared at me like I was an alien. I stood in that shop for a good 10 mins being ignored by the owner and when one of the cars pulled away I went out of the shop and walked the long way home to avoid turning right towards the remaining car.

They also speed up and down the road at incredible speeds everynight and play loud music from their car music systems.

If any white person brings any of this up on the local FB page (the loud music. Intimidating behaviour. Littering. Speeding, the cannisters and the parking issues) they pile on and the 'islamaphobia' word comes out immediately.

My view on Islam has changed SO MUCH since I moved here. I was absolutely tolerant and welcoming beforehand. I had a much more 'leftist' approach to immigration but living in the middle of a muslim area changed that.

They (the vast majority) do not want to integrate, they don't like white people. Especially women (the shop owner will at least talk to DH but he never says a word to me)

I've seen multiple instances of spousal abuse and reported one incident to be told its a cultural difference and I shouldn't get involved 🙄

I am a 43 year old woman and I thought my days of being harrased were long gone but I don't feel happy living here and I am NOT some lifelong racist, I always voted labour and I voted for our muslim councillor. Before I lived here I had polar views, but living amongst it really changed my view.

There really is a culture of intimidation and this idea that islam or any muslim cannot be challenged for anything.

I can see how the grooming gang thing happened.

I don't want to live here but have no choice.

Undertow of many words…. It’s not my politics. You’re looking at the wrong problem.

No shit. Nowhere have I suggested its just the left, in fact I've even said that the conservatives deserve a class action lawsuit, if we had them in this country. I don't give a shit what political following the men and their handmaidens involved in this have, from the politicians to the police scum, to social service. But a few people here are screaming 'far right men dont care about women' as if left leaning men do?! Why can women only care once the 'right' men care?

From Asian Express. MP Naz Shah, 43, has defended herself after controversy following her recent activity on Social Media site Twitter.
The Bradford West representative has been criticised for retweeting and liking a tweet which claimed that victims of abuse should ‘shut their mouths for the good of diversity.’
The Twitter post was written by a parody account of newspaper columnist Owen Jones
The post in question said: ‘Those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths, for the good of diversity.’

Easy to say that when someone puts the truth out there, isn’t it? But you’re wrong.

I fully supported an official public inquiry. I work voluntarily with young rape victims. I want this sort of thing addressed head on and dealt with in the full glare of publicity and in the force of law.

What I don’t want is exploited women and girls being further exploited by more men who claim they care and have their interests at heart, when it’s very clear they don’t think any such thing. If you have no questions about the motivations and intentions of Restore, then I think you need to remove the mote from thine own eye.

I agree, but who will do something about it and be seen as acceptable by politicians?

Just acknowledging this is clan based is going to lead to accusations of racism and not being a suitable person.

I read some of it and felt sick.
I follow Maggie Oliver and I know she’s attracted some controversy but she does have some first-hand knowledge.
However, this has been a systematic failure on all political fronts and parties.
And I do wonder listening to people like Lowe and Farage what there plans are for young, traumatised, disaffected children because surely they will become the benefit bludgers they also detest. I think these young girls have been used to score points for the attraction of populist support and I find the motives behind it very concerning.
However, the experiences of these young girls and women is absolutely harrowing. It beggars belief when you read it that so many professionals just turned a blind eye.

That is awful and I really feel for you, they have had free rein and this has been allowed to grow unchallenged.

Stay safe, this sounds horrible and no way to live.😔

@Plimfoot so sorry you are going through this.

Yes, they deserve an actual government enquiry with the power to compel testimony. Unfortunately, despite it being promised, that’s just not happening.

I’m sickened by the people who insist these girls should be disregarded again because the “right wing” are the only ones willing to stand for them.

I think it's possible to sensible. The Owen Joneses and Ash Sarkars will say you're racist no matter how careful you are. Which means I don't tailor myself to what they might say.

I just think it's an own goal to ally with Lowe, whose organisation is full of people who really are blatant racists. Google someone like Steve Laws and ask if he's an asset to any cause.

Same. It’s exhausting to see this keep being dismissed.

One of the points made is that Labour see the Muslim Community as a resrvoir of votes. They do not want to constrict the flow by challenging that Community.

That's the crux of it.

Naz Shah is awful, but that is what a lot of left wing people think, which is why Parody Owen Jones fooled her.

Yes to this

Well, until they put one of their own in the council or MP’s seat.

Look how Jess Philips acts now her majority can fit on the back of a postage stamp.

I’ll defer to your knowledge of these Restore people, I don’t know who any of them are except the Lotus Eaters lot.

100% this. It's so toxic and it's poisoning community relations.

Some muslims are calling it out which is good to see, eg Reform's Zia Yusuf, Spiked-online's Rakib Eshan and radio DJ Ali Miraj. They tend to be on the right of British politics.