Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

I've answered your question. I don't trust Rupert Lowe. There's no pickle.

No see my previous post

She means left and right agenda-pushers, as you know perfectly well 🙄

Do you trust Sammy Woodhouse?

I'm disgusted at both groups of men. In the real world rather than the Reformosphere, this is entirely possible.

No you haven't answered my question. I'll remind you of it.

Do you think that [the fact you don't trust RL] means the testimonies of the victims, provided in the report, should be ignored?

Some cultures think it’s the woman’s fault if she is raped. In Some countries bribery is common. If the British police were involved in rape gangs then I doubt I believe the ‘Criminal record checks’ coming from many other countries are correct as these are usually obtained from a local police station.

If you go onto the DBS website you can see what foreign workers have to do to obtain a DBS check in GB. It varies massively. Some are asked to attend a police station and get a report about them and that will suffice.

It’s eye opening when so many police forces allow bribery. Some apparently allow you to pay the bribery in instalments. Would a police officer sign a form to get rid of a criminal making their town safer?

why do people act like their political opponents are just these cartoon villains with no genuine motivation?

Because we have all seen fascists before.

Or do you think he earnestly believes that there is a serious problem with immigrant criminals (I include 2nd/3rd gen non-native; intermarriage is unusual in these communities) committing horrific crimes justified by their own religious & racial animus, and he is personally open to a range of solutions to the problem, including ones which may be more extreme than you personally are okay with?

Surely nobody is this naïve.

There are definitely allegations that individual officers were involved.

I'll bite.

Sammy has done some great advocacy on this important issue. I'd like to see Sammy's advocacy for survivors succeed. I'm not very interested in what political party she supports.

I do think that Sammy being a featured speaker at Martin Sellner's white nationalist conference undermines her advocacy, and gives deniers a solid reason to dismiss her. Maybe Sammy wasn't aware of who Sellner is, but she could have asked Restore policy chief Harrison Pitt, who worked with her on the inquiry, and who's big mates with Sellner.

I don't think Sammy is a fascist, I just think she's extremely naive about the people she's collaborating with.

We follow the exact same process for a DBS check, regardless of country of birth.

What I think you’re talking about is an overseas police check, which is different.

I can certainly vouch that schools don’t allow overseas workers without both, so they’d have to have a DBS and OPSC.

There just won’t be the records available. And using the crime as a reason to deport is just a proxy vetting system.

One which generally but not always relies on women and girls.

What is the ‘Reformosphere’ ? Is it something the victims are part of?

Are you this tedious in real life?

So if I moved here from abroad and started work as a nurse today, my dbs would show nothing. I have no police record or any record in the UK.

Could my police check from my town or village have been obtained via bribery? How does my employer ensure I didn’t pay £2k to the local police force to get a clean letter?

Both sides: those who wish to focus on specifically Pakistani Muslims gangs through specific policy measures that target them more effectively, and those who prefer a race/ethnicity-blind approach and want to focus on common factors between all perpetrators.

I think that is a charitable description of both camps.

I don't think this is about being on the side of victims or not. I do think there is a wider discomfort in society with looking at perpetrator demographics rather than victim demographics. We are comfortable with directing extra help to victims based on demographic characteristics. Were less comfortable with directing extra scrutiny to potential criminals, even if it's based on similar per capita disproportionality logic. See also: stop-and-search vs prostate cancer screening discussion recently.

It just seems extremely noticeable that all these far right politicians and activists are becoming massively exercised about women’s rights when it intersects with their nationalistic rhetoric. Where were they all during the fourteen years of Tory Government?

And it’s not good enough to ONLY focus on victims of immigrants or ethnic minorities. You either care about women and girls or you don’t.

I’m the last person to be an apologist for any kind of rape gang. But any solutions have to be nuanced and workable. In other words they have to follow international law. Some people might be okay with forced mass deportation but we are not the US and we cannot ignore international law. Many of the rape gangs were actually British citizens so where are we going to deport them to. You also have to get agreement of the accepting countries, you can’t just send them back.

I also believe if they really cared about women they’d also be furious about John Warboys and Wayne Couzens. It is no consolation to rape and murder victims and their families that it is a white attacker and not a brown or black one.

Okay so firstly, you can’t move here and start work as a nurse the next day. Nor can you move here and start work as a teacher the next day.

You’d need to first prove equivalency.

We don’t accept OSPC from the village police chief. We accept them at regional or national level, which minimises risk of bribery.

Then there is detailed referencing that covers a 10 year period, only accepted from contacts who can be validated - not from random villagers.

I’m more than happy to engage on safeguarding, how it’s done and if it’s adequate, but first we need to be dealing in facts.

The report mentions nothing about helping anybody.

It is victim statements, followed by much unrelated stuff on "Islam bad", followed by no conclusion.

Do you think Starmer's Labour government would have given her a platform? If they did would her speech have be policed as GMB attempted to do. After what she's lived through and continues to live through as was shown yesterday who can blame her.

Labour will ignore anyone problematic. Including Rhiannon Whyte’s mother and Sammy Woodhouse.

It’s the opposite of giving a platform, it’s using all levers to shut women out.

It doesn't take a huge amount of effort not to hang out with Martin Sellner. He is, as I've mentioned, permanently banned from entering the UK, so you have to kind of go to him.

The Gov website suggests a local police station for some foreign nationals. I was shocked when I was told so I looked at the government website. I can see three examples of Local police stations and the applicant has to go in person - the employer cannot do it (edited to add Pakistan in this instance I didn’t check the other two).

Pakistan
Police Character Certificate.
Who can apply?

• individuals
• third party representatives (close relatives only) can apply, with written consent
• prospective employers cannot apply

Where?
Local applicants must apply through post or in person at relevant:

• city: Local city police officer/ local police station
• town: Local district office of Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP)
• FATA areas: Local FATA agency
• overseas applicants are advised to apply through the High Commission of Pakistan in Manchester or London, through post or in person

This suggests a Local City Police Officer can write one. It’s from the government website

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/criminal-records-checks-for-overseas-applicants/countries-g-to-p-applying-for-a-criminal-records-check-for-someone-from-overseas#pakistan

India
(local police station)
Where?

• individuals must apply in person directly to an Indian police service (local police service in applicant’s local jurisdiction) or via local regional passport office
• UK applicants may apply through the Indian High Commission in London (see below)

Ghana

Where?

• local applicants must visit Ghana Police Service Headquarters in Accra, or their local police station in person

Ha ha - you just can't bring yourself to answer can you? I'm embarrassed for you. It's a straightforward question.

You said:

'No, I think he's [Rupert Lowe's] a populist. He'll say anything'

'I wouldn't trust Rupert Lowe as far as I could throw him. This week he said Tommy Robinson would be welcome in his party. He's financed by Elon Musk. Rupert Lowe cares about Rupert Lowe, not women and girls.'

Do you think that [the fact you don't trust RL] means the testimonies of the victims, provided in the report, should be ignored?

The report mentions plenty about helping. What do you think the pages of recommendations are for? That you disagree with them is by the by.