Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

I think this falls under what I called reasonable critique in the post (and I think your comment is a good and useful addition to the thread).

I'm trying to show the difference between

"Muslim names overrepresented in our study of Muslim gangs" (useless)

and

"There have been X thousand victims of Y hundred different Muslim gangs across Z counties, and many of the victims said they called them white kafir slags who deserved it for being infidels" (useful)

To be clear I think it's valid to critique this report and to challenge specific numbers, etc; it's obvious that it's not a professional government report, but that's all the more damning in my opinion that there is no such official report to refer to instead.

I'm specifically objecting to "this entire exercise is suspect because it was plainly only about Muslim grooming gangs and not every other type of abuse". I think it's perfectly acceptable to do a report only into Muslim grooming gangs.

Having had another look, does anyone know why the overall conclusion is narrowed to specifically Muslim/Pakistani perpetrators when some of the case studies either don’t mention religion/race, do mention it but also specify involvement from white British men, and at least one is specifically about abuse from a white British male?

Either we’re supposed to assume that the absence of mention means they were Muslim/Pakistani (which, I’m not going to), or actually the inquiry was broader than it’s conclusion?

"Lowe is a disgusting man"

For exposing what happened?
Its not the men that are disgusting? Or the police who dragged girls back to their abusers and threatened them with prison of they kept speaking out? Not the social workers (one of who attented the Sharia wedding of a 15yo he was supposed to be supporting/helping - no action brought against him btw) or the masses of muslim women who knew about this abuse but kept quiet? Not the MPS voting against a national enquiry?

No, Lowe is the disgusting one for giving those girls a collective voice against their abusers and trying to bring toblight what happened.

Even if he was doing it purely for political gain how the hell is that worse than drugging, beating and gang raping a 12yo??

You know who I think is disgusting. KIER STARMER.

So when Rupert Lowe exposes this, its for political reasons and to stir up tension.

But when Starmer tries to sweep it under the carpet and hide the fact that so many people let these girls down THAT isnt politically motivated??
The fact that his main demographic of voters now just happen to be the same demographic of people in the reports is just a coincidence and has absolutely no bearing on his decision??

You answer me this.

If hundreds of groups of white men, reform voters if you want to go there, systematically isolated and abused muslim girls, calling them racially derogatory names, targeting them for their background and colour

WOULD STARMER HAVE ACTED IN THE SAME WAY AND NOT CARRIED OUT AN ENQUIRY?

You cannot even tey to bring political biase into this and using this event as traction for division. Starmer has already done that!!

Any other demographic in this country would have been ripped to shred and publicly exposed.

Really??? If Rupert Lowes name was not attached to this investigation, then there would not be an investigation. If we waited for Starmer to get this underway, the poor victims/survivors would be drawing their old ages pension and the perpetrators would have died of old age. Labour/Tories have had literally years to sort this out and yet here we are. Well done Rupert Lowe

We don't though, which is why women and girls feel like second citizens already. I'm not sure why you think this is exclusive to Islam when British society already allows rapists to walk scott free, but apparently that's boring and yawn worthy...are you a woman?

@RedTagAlan posting this separately to properly engage with your post re: the stats used in the report and how they are used.

I think a core issue is that "group-based CSE" is a term which some people use to mean "Pakistani Muslim rape and torture gangs" and some people use to mean "at least 2 people acting together to sexually exploit children".

Which makes it very easy for people of both sides to use the same term ("grooming gangs") to refer to different things, including different denominators for the "x% of population" statistics. And then to accuse the other side of misinfo.

There is no conclusion. Just a chapter on more work to be done. Page 179 "next steps", then a bit of a party political thing from Lowe.

Dealt with accordingly? Gang rapists literally escaped jail a matter of weeks ago and a judge of our legal system said he didn't want to "criminalise" them FOR RAPE...The idea that sexual violence is actually condemned and punished on any acceptable level on the UK is so delusional I can't see any woman saying this. We all know this.

I suppose we could also take a view on this from Rupert Lowe's propaganda chief

I think the word you are looking for is "passive"

Sorry, yes.

The foreword focusses heavily on Pakistani Muslim men, imported foreign subcultures and multiculturalism. You’re right, there is no conclusion.

I just think it’s interesting that the inquiry is described by RL as centred around specific groups, when the actual report in many areas either doesn’t clearly state religion/race, makes clear that white British men were either responsible for the initial vulnerability of the girls or were involved later, or actually - were responsible for the abuse itself.

I don’t think it does show what he expected it to, or claims it does.

Just because we have a poor justice system already doesn't mean we should ignore the fact that Pakistani men raped British children.

I will never understand this logic.

We can sit here all day and list different failings, diffent cases.

That is not what is being discussed right now.

Yes the conviction rate for rape is depressingly low, so that somehow justifies foreign men coming into the country and abusing British kids?

We just have to ignore it because 'something else happened and white men rape too'

White men raping outrages me.

This outrages me too!

The thing is rape happens everywhere, every country. We all have evil men of our own to contend with, when a British born man rapes a woman I am angry. I am angry at his choices, his behaviour and the justice system.

When an Afghan migrant rapes a woman I am angry at his choices, his behaviour and the justive system but I am also angry at the fact that this man has been welcomed into our country. Given a haven. Given a home (be realistic now, because someone coming over from Afghanistan is not supporting themselves and paying their own rent and their own way)

And then we find out this man was undocumented. And then we find out this man has prior convictions in Germany for rape. Then we find out that he raped in his home country. Then we find out he has a history of violent crimes.

Then because of the piss poor rape conviction rates he serves 6 months in a prison thats actually pretty decent to him.

Then he is let out. And he isn't deported.

And he rapes again.

Or worse.

How many times has something like that happened? Or someone who commits an act of terrorism has been 'on the watch list' or reported for worrying behaviour or has previous convictions for terrorism offences in XYZ country. Or had a twitter full of 'death to infidels'

We have enough rapists and nutcases of our own without importing a legion of men who OPENLY HATE US.

Most men are not rapists. But most rapists are men.
Most muslims are not terrorists. But most terrorists are Muslims.

Why has our Government decided that this is our burden to bear??

If Afghanistan, Pakistan, Sudan etc are such awful places and all these men want to leave then why are they trying to bring that countries customs and beliefs with them and implement them into Britain?

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So the thing that gets me the most is, with our aging population and skills shortages in Europe and the need for immigration, just how exactly is that man going to contribute as a tax payer and skill gap filler?

He's not. He is a liability. Why are we letting oxygen stealers into Europe? He is a boil on the butt of humanity.

Anyways....

A report pointing telling it exactly how it is. That we have imported mass rape gangs who have abused our most vulnerable children and instead of reading the report and weeping, some people on here are focusing on the author and his politics.

As women you should be ashamed of yourselves.

I've not read the whole report but someone mentioned them getting the death penalty if they went back to Pakistan.

Seriously, who cares. If you don't want to be executed, then don't rape children, traffic them and pass them around your group of paedophiles.

All rapists are men. Women cannot rape.

Quote :"Which makes it very easy for people of both sides to use the same term.."

Both sides ? What are the sides? Who are they ?

Surely there is just one side, and that is the victims side ?

And I am not getting that from this report. Because to me, to best serve the victims the Lowe report should be impeccable. It should have recommendations backed up with indisputable (as far as possible) facts and data.

But this report does not do that. Even an armchair non academic such as myself can spot massive holes in it's data sourcing.

It does not even have conclusions and recommendations. It has "next steps" listed on page 179. I cut and pasted below, and I see nothing about helping the victims, except perhaps private prosecutions. But that makes no mention of who.

"● Publish this Inquiry’s full witness statements.
● Seek out further witness statements so that more victims can tell their story.
● Name within Parliament those found to have enabled the rape gangs.
● Continue initiating civil proceedings and private prosecutions where appropriate.
● We have had more women come forward since our formal hearings took place. Be in no doubt that we intend for our Rape Gang Inquiry to have a long life well beyond the publication of this one report. It will be updated as and when we learn more about the most horrific blight on our national story. This is the initial phase of a larger mission to make sure that no such avoidable atrocities can happen ever again."

I agree with this too.

I'm sick of the 'we need immigration ' trope.

Yes we could welcome skilled, educated people who come here to work at specific jobs and support themselves, do not claim benefits and contribute.

The migrant men I see hanging around Manchester city centre all day, harrasing women and intimidating people are not contributing anything. They are taking resources, money, housing and what benefit is that to any of us??

The people coming here illegally and the people that 'prop up the NHS' are not the same people!!

Most perpetrators of sexual crime then...

Not everyone is focusing on the author but yes some are. Not just women doing this either.

Correct
And good men need to get angry about all men committing these crimes, not just the ones committed by someone with a different religion or skin colour or nothing will change to solve the problems we have with the failures to safeguard children or increase the convictions in court.

Yes, we should be stopping people moving here with criminal histories in other countries. But I don't care if it was a Pakistani Muslim or a white German man who committed these crimes.

We can’t check for all that’s the issue.

Mate, I stopped reading after th seconds line cos I'm not gonna read an essay when you can't read a sentence. I never said we should ignore anything. I simply refuted the absurd claim that we don't have a rape culture problem within British society and that we adequately punish though who rape. That claim is laughable untrue and any woman knows this.

The same culture and system that allowed these grooming gangs is the same white British system that allows its own white British perpetrators to walk free. They simply don't care about rape and abuse. The idea that they always care and in this instance didn't is no British woman's loved experience.

You think the Taliban keeps diligent criminal records of sex attacks?

@Plimfoot are you a woman? I note you didn't answer that before going on a rant there.

Surely the one mentioned where they'd been convicted in Germany we could have checked.
I have no problem with deporting people back to countries of origin if they commit these crimes even if they'd potentially be killed in their country of origin either.
I'm not against additional checks and consequences for these people with criminal histories or who commit these crimes once they're here
But I do think only focusing on a small specific sample of men to fit a political narrative ultimately doesn't bring change and just fuels unnecessary hatred against certain races or religions.

I just think facts are important.