Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Quote : "I also want to object to a point that people make which is something along the lines of "they only found that 95% of grooming gangs were Muslim because they were only looking for Muslim grooming gangs, therefore this entire study is invalid"."

I don't know where you are referencing 95% from, but looking through the Lowe report I am seeing many issues. I am not an academic by the way.

For example, on page 7 Lowe writes " In court records and official inquiries, around 87% of those convicted in these group-based child sexual exploitation (‘CSE’) cases bore distinctively Muslim names. 2"

He states that 87% figure with some authority. I have no idea if it's true or not. but there is a footnote, 2, referenced. I had a look at the footnote to see where that 87% came from, and I get a Christian concern article from 2016:

Sacrificing girls to political correctness - Christian Concern

Here is the bit that mentions 87%:

"Peter McLoughlin has compiled a list of all the grooming gang convictions since 1997. To date 275 of the 317 people convicted have Muslim names. This means 87% of the convicts are of Muslim heritage and most likely self-identify as Muslim. Given that Muslims are only 5% of the population, this would mean that a Muslim man is some 127 times more likely to be convicted as part of a grooming gang than a non-Muslim."

And the reference to Peter McLoughlin is a book he wrote, also in 2016. This book, and this is referenced multiple times in the Lowe report.

Easy Meat: Inside Britain's Grooming Gang Scandal | Harvard Book Store

I would say that 87% figure Lowe uses is rather suspect. And I don't want to spend $24.99 to buy a 10 year old book to check where Peter McLoughlin got that 87% from.

Stuff like that, figures quoted with authority, when no authority is shown, does damage the report.

All of this.

This is simply further abuse and exploitation of the survivors.

Lowe is a disgusting man.

Well I'm hoping you'll answer it. Got yourself in a bit of a pickle, so I can see why you can't answer.

At no point have I said to ignore the crimes of these men. I'm pointing out that the focus on only certain races and ignoring the rest, is ignoring the victims and the crimes of the men that don't fit the narrative that' Rupert would like to push. All the victims matter and all the men should be held accountable and the causes looked at to try better the protection for children going forward.
You may think that makes me virtuous, I think it is just common sense to look at all these crimes and give all the victims a voice regardless of the colour of the man's skin that committed those crimes

The issue is still that vulnerable children were targeted, by these gangs.

Im not convinced social workers, teachers, nurses and doctors etc covered up for mass gang rapes by white men all over the U.K. If there are gangs of english men or Japanese men or Jamaican men gang raping 12 year olds then they need locking up for life too.

For anyone who has not read the report this isn’t a date rape. Or just involving men’s body parts. The rapes involve torture - if you haven’t read it you just won’t get the extent of it - it’s beyond my imagination tbh.

If ‘white men’ in the U.K. are getting together and gang raping thousands of girls in numerous cities and it is being covered up by authorities I will happily pay into any crowd funding to enable these other victims to get justice too.

But it doesn’t mean these gang raped young ladies deserve not to get justice and be heard and compensated via private prosecution.

Do most men in the U.K. have a number of other men on their mobile that they can call at short notice to gang rape a girl together? Do they get children together to gang rape at religious festivals? Brothers, cousins, work colleagues? I know men rape. The Pelicott case was very unusual (to me) and men found each other on a specific website. I’m not sure even that dirty bastard had colleagues and relatives that would pop over when requested.

In the rape gang case - How many men were asked to join in a gang rape who said ‘no’ and why did THEY not report it?
If they did report it, what did the police do? Because surely some men said no?
How did the men find each other?
Do most men over the world gang rape with family members watching?

If so what research has been done?
Can these men be rehabilitated or not? Should they face longer jail time due to future risk?
Are their own children and wives at risk? They were torturing victims. Are their wives victims of this?

Giselles husband found fellow rapists via a website but many of these gang rapes were in the 90s and early 2000s - was there a website for rape gang members back then or were these men chatting to each other at work or over the dinner table? When their wives became aware (some must of known just due to the volume of men involved) did they report it? If not why not? Were these women given police protection and counselling if needed? Were they harmed? What about daughters and mothers?

This report raises so many more questions. So many people knew.

Sammy Woodhouse was told on Good Morning Britain not to discuss the type of men involved. That was yesterday and you can watch it on social media or catch up. She mentions it in the interview. Again whether you like Sammy or not it’s worth listening to. I don’t ignore a raped women’s account just because I don’t like her views on politics.

A poster upthread asked where half a million went. It’s 750k actually and Lowe has said a lot of it remains and is going into private prosecutions. If they start running low I will donate as you can still donate to it. It’s the least I can do. Lowe donated his own money to it. He also donates his MP salary to charity every month.

I expect they are all shitting themselves trying to find a way to downplay this.

I'd be fine with child rapes in the Catholic church being investigated, as well as the ones committed by immigrants and those committed by white British men. All of them are important and if you genuinely want children to be protected it is important that all of the crimes of children being raped are looked at to identify all the causes and themes and try to tackle those problems.

No i think you think it makes you virtuous. Everyone knows men rape women, all over the world. It's a scandal it's ignored. Because it's women and girls. No one argues against that, you don't need to tell people. we know.

However This thread and that report is/ are about Pakistani / British Pakistani grooming gangs of hundreds of pakistani / british pakistani men, in the UK sexually abusing white working class girls, over many years.

And that systemic rape and sexual abuse being ignored and denied.

But You knew that.

That’s who you aim your disgust at? Not the perpetrators?

They were vulnerable because they were 12 and 13. And they lived local to these men.

i'm looking forward to Rupert Lowe's pronouncements about the endemic violence against women and girls across the board in this country, his views on the non custodial sentences given to the teengage boys who raped two girls at knifepoint and the horrendous delays in bringing rape cases to trial. If you care (as we all should) about the horrific offences comiited by these gangs then surely you should care about all manifestations of sexual and physical violence.

Do you live in one of these communities where these events happened?

@jacksonlamb

Sammy Woodhouse was interviewed by Good Morning Britain yesterday and you can see it online but that was before it was released.

If the media don’t show it I think that tells us a lot about how the politicians and media want to cover up the mass rape of girls by a group of men. Not looking good really.

You wouldn’t start a specific investigation into rape and child abuse in the Catholic Church by looking at all perpetrators of rape in the country, or the world, would you?

Yes I do and I am white British and have been raped by a white man. But I guess I'm guessing that's not a problem for you cause we should only be concentrating on Pakistanis
The safeguarding failures for children need to be understood and if you are only concentrating on one race, then you are actively ignoring the wider problems and may not be implementing all the safeguarding protections that could be put in place.

Whatever Rupert Lowe does or doesn’t do, I and most women on FWR who think these survivors should have a voice do care about all rape and abuse. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t investigate specific issues and focus on them. Nor does it mean that we shouldn’t investigate other patterns of rape and abuse.

I think it's unlikely there will be any private prosecutions. The Rupert Inquiry is already on thin ice as it's a CIC, which should mean it can't get into political activity, and private prosecutions are not part of the CIC's object. Raja Miah has pointed this out.

Also, any private prosecution can be taken over by the CPS (which then decides whether to pursue or drop it)

Also, Rupert is threatening to name names under parliamentary privilege, which seems to me like a great way of prejudicing future prosecutions.

What we could do, constructively, is to recognise that we're talking about clan-based organised crime (functionally very similar to the Sicilian Mafia), of which the CSE component is just one part - e.g. there's also the drugs component.

It might be possible to look at how American prosecutors broke the Mafia and make some progress here with tough RICO-style enforcement.

I don't think Labour will ever do this, simply because corrupt Labour councils have been up to their neck in the scandal.

And the right has its own comfort zone, which is Rupert Lowe and Nick Timothy and Katie Lam harrumphing about Islarm, which might help them get re-elected but doesn't get us any closer to cracking the problem.

Very fair comments @SionnachRuadh

I am suggesting that the rape crimes committed against children in Britain should be investigated, regardless of race or religion. If their are failing by the church, mosques, social services, police, NHS whatever in these cases then i think extra protections and safeguards should be put in place in all the areas where failings have taken place. To protect all children regardless of the race or religion of the perpetrators or victkms

I want to think that you are right, but unfortunately, this thread shows that people are putting their ideology over the safety of women and girls.

I feel sick to the pit of my stomach that there is every chance this thread is full of people working in public services as they post in the break, and that I am offered no reassurance that the decisions that lead to the horrific treatment of their women and girls are not still happening.

Exactly this.

When were you last there?

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But this specific inquiry/report/research is necessarily narrow. It’s not stopping other people researching other issues, or the government actually implementing their own wide ranging CSA and CSE report’s (well accurately the previous government’s) list of recommendations.

@CherriesAndApples1

Labour and media will close ranks. The same way they treated Rhiannon Whyte’s mother.

This goes deep. You can see in this thread some will say they don’t want to know.