Rupert Lowe’s rape gang enquiry, report published

[Yddraigoldragon]

The report has been published, link below.

http://bit.ly/4uE5odw

It is harrowing.

Because the same things that don't protect the children when the offender is an immigrant may well be the exact thing that also didn't protect the child where the offender was a white British man.
If you want to protect children from being raped by men, you need to look at all the areas where those protections need to be implemented. Not turn it into a story where you try to make out like it's only immigrants that are doing these crimes.
I imagine the children being raped don't care if the man committing these crimes is an immigrant or not. It is one type of crime committed by men, they need to look at it as a complete picture

No shouting.

This is a good point, as you say very few MPs would involve themselves with this issue or have (some of them who have are Labour, to give them due credit). Other MPs have made extraordinarily callous, dismissive statements in the past.

Do you think that means the testimonies of the victims, provided in the report, should be ignored?

Why is that?

There were common patterns and factors which link these crimes. Do you also think the Catholic Church can’t be investigated for specific child abuse culture because “rapes happen everywhere”?

I'm not even making any left-right points. Anyone familiar with me on FWR knows I'm not shy about calling out tribal leftists who make excuses for the SWP (a group still heavily funded by the unions, and which can get Labour and Green politicians on its platforms with ease)

Go look at Donna Rachel on X. She's got expertise in this field, and she's made some sensible methodological criticism of the report. And she's very far from being a leftist.

Then look at her mentions, which are full of misogynistic and antisemitic abuse from Lowe cultists.

Thank goodness some people are being heard. When people do evil things and destroy a person's life forever with a lifetime of trauma, why shouldn't there be a referendum on the death penalty. Why shouldn't people who are complicit in these evil acts get the same justice. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I do agree there should be a referendum on it.

We are evidently on the whole more bothered about offending and protecting the perpetrators and whether Lowe spoke the right sort of language, scrutinising his writing in the report than listening to the the victims. It's no wonder this country is in a mess. It's is shocking, absolutely shocking this is happening right now under people's noses by turning a blind eye and nothing is being done by the ones in power now

Did you read my previous post at all.

Their testimonies are important and shouldn't be ignored but I think cherry picking which cases of child rape are important for his narrative is ignoring the other victims and missing out wider societal issues

Equally I would you ask you if the testimonies of the victims which were ignored by the report because their story didn't fit the narrative he wanted, do their voices not deserve to be heard just because their rapist was white and British?

Yes. You literally said who cares if they're ignoring the crimes of white men
I care, I imagine the victims of those men care. Children will not be protected if you only focus on the one area of society your political party has a problem with while ignoring the others.

Some of the girls had professionals watching out for them as they live in care homes.

Have you read Julie Bindel on this? She recognises that a common route to being abused was getting a boyfriend of the same age and him introducing the girls to their abusers. Often as basic as taking them to their house and leaving them there.

Lots of these girls knew it was wrong from the start of the abuse. The point is a lot asked for help at the time and were ignored. They werent girls would come, years later, to realise they were groomed.

Some of the replies on this thread are astonishing!

The point went way over that pp’s head it seems.

And astonishingly - or maybe not, as we see from some hideous ( and self-revealing) responses on this thread - they were / are still questioned / disbelieved / blamed.

And it's been well documented that the professionals (I use that term lightly) in the care homes turned a blind eye to what was going on. Even in RLs report the testimony of some of the girls refers to this.

It's clear that in most cases no-one in any position of responsibility was watching out for these girls or had a care for them.

Are you just going to keep asking me the same question?

@Cherriesandapples1 stop deflecting, I notice you ignored my question.

The post before that.

I will rephrase. Do you think it's ever acceptable to have a study which asks the question "what is the scale and what are the specific characteristics of Muslim rape gangs"?

Do you think it's ever acceptable to have a study which asks the question "what is the scale and what are the specific characteristics of Catholic priest paedophilia"?

The point is that if we only tackle abuse by certain groups of men we don’t address the fundamental point that women and girls are at risk from men. All men.

Is the Restore message don’t trust Pakistani men? If so that’s hardly keeping them safe is it? Do people remember the proportion of men arrested for race riots the other year who also had previous convictions for domestic abuse? They aren’t our saviours.

I don’t doubt that.

There had always been a link between child abuse and instability in the family home.

Not all these girls were in that situation, some had family fighting for them (and being threatened by police for doing so)

I remember watching an interview with a paedophile in America and he was asked how he chose his victims. It wasn't based on looks or age or ethnicity, but he said he looked at the families and chose children that didn't have a string support network.

That isn't me saying this is in any way the families faults but groomers look for opportunities in places where children are not well supervised, are not getting the support they need, are low income, alcoholic parents etc...

These men were groomers. They didn't randomly attack girls in the street.

They collectively had a system for finding, befriending, grooming, isolating and then threatening young girls.

Maybe a lot of these girls were let down by their families but that doesn't mean its fair game for these men to swoop in and abuse them.

The problem with vunerable girls hanging around kebab shops shouldn't be looked theough the lens of 'well they shouldnt have been out at 11pm'

Regardless of what these CHILDREN were doing/wearing/saying these men should never have approached them.

These children are nothing but victims.

Victims of the circumstances they were born into.
Victims of these vile and predatory men.
Victims of the police who didn't help them and infact threatened them with arrest for asking for help.
Victims of the social workers who ignored what was happing in front of their faces.
Victims of the Government who covered it up instead of exposing the truth.
Victims of the media.
Victims of the left who are minimising what happened to them in the name of tolerance and inclusiveness.
And finally they are victims of Islam and its practices.

This will still be happening now to children.
It will happen again and again until we face the elephant in the room and be honest and realistic about the core, recurring elements of these cases.

Young lives written off,older men picking young teen girls up from care homes etc.
Where was the care .

Who has said that we should only tackle abuse by certain groups of men? Certainly not me.