Women & Equalities Committee 2.30pm Today, 9th June, Mary-Ann Stephenson Chair at EHRC giving oral evidence

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Work of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) 20026-27 - Oral evidence, Mary-Ann Stephenson, Chair at Equality and Human Rights Commission and John Kirkpatrick, Chief Executive Officer at Equality and Human Rights Commission.

Considering the absolute balloons on this committee, it will be well worth a watch. Only Rosie Duffield and Rebecca Paul have any sense.

You can watch live on Parliament TV from 2.30pm

https://committees.parliament.uk/event/27280/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

I did frame the original question that way, but some posters have suggested alternative provision in the first place is unnecessary

It all feels vaguely....familiar🤔

I thought we were discussing a scenario where an alternative space couldn't be provided.

Your problem seems to be that you have decided to adopt an opposite sex identity and (possibly) you have had some extreme body modifications.

These are your choices, and the consequences of having a modified body and living in a world where some spaces are designated as single sex should have been part of the decision making before going down this path.

Making rash decisions and failing to think about the consequences are your own doing, and the resultant problems are yours to solve. We are not responsible for your poorly thought out decisions.

You made your own problems. You need to find your own solutions.

Because you are either male or female, and facilities like toilets, changing rooms, prisons, hospital wards are segregated by sex, not by gender ID.

As the Supreme Court re-affirmed [note: re-affirmed], if you were born male you remain male for the purposes of the Equality Act, no matter how you identify.

It's not cruelty, or dishonesty, or anything else you suggest, it's what's legal, pragmatic and it works for the vast majority of the population.
It's not proportionate to look for expensive, disruptive accommodations for a tiny percentage of the population.

So let's hope you and I stay in good health, toyl9876, because if we are hospitalised we're just going to have to find ways to cope with our distress at not having our own private rooms.

I've actually had a separate room in hospital twice and absolutely hated it. I was bored, scared and lonely, and was thrilled when I was pronounced well enough to join the rest of the ward.

A variant of that argument goes "male prison guards rape female prisoners, so let's let male prisoners into the women's prison too".

This. In my Trust, over 16s go on adult wards.

I've known 16 year old boys who are still at secondary school have to share an 8 bed bay with older men, if there are no side rooms available. I doubt they felt more comfortable than the current iteration of emotional blackmail and male entitlement identifying as reasonable trans claims to, they likely would have been much more comfortable in a side room with their mum on a fold up bed, but they had to crack on.

It's just like in prisons, young men, old men, gay men, small men, disabled men, weak men, transIDing men all belong in the men's provision, because they're all men. No one thinks 'something will have to be done, this cash strapped service will have to make new special provisions for those men who might be distressed to share with other men', do they? No, this is just the latest version of 'trans are super special and must have better'.

Careful. Next we’ll hear how transphobia it is to banish trans identifying people against their will to those hateful side rooms.

the problem here is that people’s expectations of what they deserve in hospitals are all wildly inflated.

I got a side room (repurposed cupboard, no window) when I was in with dvt during the covid times, and it was great. Well not great, but better than the alternative.

I'm autistic, so an open ward is sensory hell for me. If the side room is needed for a transplant recipient to prevent them from catching an infection that their suppressed immune system can't fight off, then onto the open ward I must go, because their need trumps mine.

The same logic should apply to the long-transitioned male being placed on the male ward.

Fire the DEI team and convert their office into ward space. Space problem alleviated.

Open wards make nursing a lot easier and safer for staff and patients.

Because you (assuming you’ve gone all the way to create an artificial wound in your groin) represent something like 0.2% of the general population. And that’s probably on the generous side.

Why should ‘we’ (representing the rest of the tax paying public) have to stump the additional money up to accommodate such a niche segment of society? The NHS is already stretched, without pandering to someone’s perceived lack of dignity. Real indignity is lying on a trolley in a corridor for 30 hours (as happened to an elderly relative 8 months ago) and being forced to relieve yourself into a bed pan.

If we’re going to start throwing the money around, I’d much rather they sort out maternity services at places like Nottingham or Chester. Or stump up the cash that victims of the blood products scandal should have had 40 years ago. Separate bed spaces for the gender disorientated should be VERY far down the list.

You must be more annoyed, sir, that the TRAs have entirely lost the war.

lock. Stock. Done. Dusted. It’s over.

and there was much celebrating.

Its rather odd that all the TiMs who venture into FWR have had the chop, given such small percentage of them do overall. Possibly unbelievably odd.

#segregation

The posters on the reddit thread linked above seem to have watched a different meeting, are outraged and are also loving Nadia Whittome
Sad times

If they are all the same person, it is possible
(they're not, are they?)

"Potental impregnators 🚹"
"People who may become pregnant at some point 🚺"

Not exactly plain English nor suitable for children and people who speak English as a foreign language.

Jumped ahead as was late to this discussion.

first impression was that the make up of this committee has changed and was far more balanced than in the past.

I think that the big take away was that she identified that some MP’s did not distinguish between the law and the code. And offered seminars regarding this. 😂

I especially liked the story of the long term TIM lorry driver personage who was now in a predicament, as was clearly using women's shower facilities at the service stations.

do they have such facilities? cannot say i have ever noticed such provision.

In any case nobody mentioned the predicament of a woman in said mythological facilities.

thankfully Ann mentioned the knotty issue of 50% of the population being female.

I thought the CEO was quite good, and he grabbed the life line offered regarding prisons.

that he did not know about (tsk)

Potential wankers might be a step too far i guess….

I have to say, I'm rather enjoying the 'now we've won, we don't give even the smidge of a flying fuck what you do, mate', responses to the desperate and quite staggeringly entitled attempt to guilt trip women.

It's father funny, actually. Who in their right mind would ever think that women give a toss about TRA futile demands.

As somebody said up thread, get the denser-than-a-black-hole DEI team to start earning their massively over-inflated, and I suspect, soon to be a thing of the past, salary.

Very late to this.

Amused that the TIM posting on this thread is desperate for us wims and mummies to solve his problems. No thank you, to quote the amazing Sarah Robles. No. Thank. You.

I'm horrified that menarche is the deciding factor because I would have been put on an adult ward at nine under such a regime.

Not great for teenage boys and girls in the same room

Safeguarding fail.