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Women & Equalities Committee 2.30pm Today, 9th June, Mary-Ann Stephenson Chair at EHRC giving oral evidence

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TheNoWord · 09/06/2026 14:03

Work of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) 20026-27 - Oral evidence, Mary-Ann Stephenson, Chair at Equality and Human Rights Commission and John Kirkpatrick, Chief Executive Officer at Equality and Human Rights Commission.

Considering the absolute balloons on this committee, it will be well worth a watch. Only Rosie Duffield and Rebecca Paul have any sense.

You can watch live on Parliament TV from 2.30pm

https://committees.parliament.uk/event/27280/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

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Shortshriftandlethal · 11/06/2026 15:53

MarieDeGournay · 11/06/2026 13:14

Great response to your MP, Shortshriftandlethal! Well said!

Am I going too far in suggesting that her letter was... not the worst I've ever seen? She did actually engage, and has put some thought into her reply - not that I agree with it, but it wasn't a knee-jerk brush-off [which sounds like something from professional wrestling😃].
Your response to her was thoughtful and well-argued, and who knows? it might actually make her think a bit more deeply..

Thank you so much for the Dennis Kavanagh summary, Arabella
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/2064415765986427208.html
It was so funny in places - the 'Rapid Onset Butch Lesbian Concern', and the 'professional Naomi Cunningham impersonator' had me lol-ing😂 but he was also devastatingly accurate about the deficiencies of the committee.

Yes, she is far from the worst, and certainly far better than my previous MP ( we have had boundary changes and as a result I have a new MP). I have met her once and she does not come across as a mad activist, even though she did use to be part of the 'Socialist Campaign Group' and she does associate with Kate Osborne, who is most definitely a mad TRA.

I think she has, or certainly had, leadership ambitions and was going to put herself forward as a challenger to Starmer at one point. I think that is why she withdrew from the Socialist Campaign Group. And yes, her response is fairly considerate and reasoned - even if she does fall into false talking points about the code ( that it is 'unworkable' etc). In the longer run i suspect she will err on the side of caution and pull back from obstinate obstruction. She is very much going along, at present, with the social demands of her politcal grouping.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 11/06/2026 16:37

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/06/2026 12:06

I've had a fairly swift response from my MP to the email I sent asking her why she'd signed a motion against the ECHR guidance.

In her automated office response to my original email it stated that she no longer signed such motions as she believed them to be a waste of time that achieve nothing.

She is a former member of the 'Socialist Campaign Group' within the Labour party and quite pally with Kate Osborne:

"Thank you for sharing your views and for taking the time to write to me on this important issue.

I appreciate that many women have strong concerns about the protection of single-sex spaces, services and categories, and I recognise the significance of the Supreme Court's judgment and the need for organisations to comply with the law as interpreted by the courts.

However, I also hear from many constituents who are concerned about the practical impact that changes to guidance and policy may have on trans people. My view is that these issues require a careful and balanced approach that protects women's privacy, dignity and safety while also ensuring that trans people are treated with respect and are protected from discrimination and harassment.

Please see below a letter I sent to Bridget Phillipson MP, Secretary of State for Education and Minister for Women & Equalities addressing a range of concerns"

11th May 2026

"Dear Secretary of State,

I have been contacted by a significant number of constituents who are concerned about the possible content of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) Code of Practice on Services, Public Functions and Associations which you announced in a statement on 14th April that the government intends to lay before the House in May or as soon as possible thereafter.

The judgement by the Supreme Court in April 2025 in the case of For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers [2025] UKSC16 was greeted by the government as providing welcome clarity that the terms ‘man’, ’women’ and ‘sex’ in the Equality Act 2010 mean biological sex.

However, in the absence of statutory guidance it has remained unclear what practical steps service providers must take following that judgement. Initial guidance published in April by the EHRC on the implications of the judgement was subsequently withdrawn in October and was also the subject of a legal challenge.

It is perfectly understandable that the government will have wanted to get the guidance right in what is a complex and controversial area where opinions can be very sharply divided.

Nevertheless, many of the constituents who have written to me on this subject are concerned that the focus of the EHRC’s interim guidance was very much on the exclusion of trans people from services and activities.

The key question in the Supreme Court’s judgment was the intention of the Equality Act 2010 and it found that the definition of sex on which the Act was based was a biological one so that under the Act a trans woman (someone born as a man) would not be regarded as being biologically female even if they possessed a Gender Recognition Certificate.

I should stress that I believe that there might be very good reasons why some spaces should be kept separate for ‘biological’ women to protect their privacy, dignity and safety.

For example, I am very much aware of your own experience of running a refuge for victims of domestic abuse and I have also campaigned very strongly on the need for safe accommodation for victims of domestic violence where they can start to rebuild their lives.

There are other situations as well where the justification for providing separate spaces for ‘biological’ women seems relatively clear such as sharing a prison cell or a changing room where there are not lockable rooms.

Nevertheless, my constituents argue that there are other cases where the argument for the exclusion of trans people from single-sex services is much less clear, such as in the case of a walking or book club.

Even the issue of the arrangements for public toilets is not straightforward given the practical issues involved and was the focus of the legal challenge at the High Court over the EHRC’s interim guidance.

Trans people view the Supreme Court judgement against the background of the discrimination and harassment that many of them experience. Even when making allowance for changes in the way that crime is recorded, it is shocking that instances of hate crime recorded against transgender people more than doubled between 2017-18 and 2024-25 for example.

I strongly urge the government to take renewed action to tackle discrimination, hatred and bigotry against trans and non-binary people and to legislate to finally ban conversion practices aimed at transgender people which would give them greater confidence that the government takes trans rights seriously.

I make no claims to legal expertise, but I note that even before the Supreme Court judgement the Equality Act provided for access to same-sex services to be restricted in the case of trans people where that was ‘a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim’.

My constituents ask that the government adopts an approach in the Code of Practice that is workable and sensitive, focusing not just on circumstances where trans exclusion might be reasonable, but also setting out how service providers that wish to remain trans inclusive can do so.

The fact that it has taken so long to produce the Code of Practice suggests just how complex the issues involved are; we must safeguard both the right of women to safety and the right of trans people to be protected from discrimination and harassment. Neither blanket trans exclusion nor inclusion will properly do that"

"As you will see from the letter which I sent to the Secretary of State, I have urged the government to ensure that any Code of Practice is workable, proportionate and sensitive to the complexities involved. While I support legal clarity for service providers, I do not believe that either blanket exclusion or blanket inclusion provides an appropriate answer in every circumstance. Different settings may require different approaches, consistent with the Equality Act and the Supreme Court's judgment.

For that reason, I am joining colleagues in calling for the draft Code of Practice on Services, Public Functions and Associations to be disapproved via prayer motions in Parliament, as I believe further consideration is needed to ensure that the guidance strikes the right balance between protecting women's rights and safeguarding the rights and dignity of trans people.

I hope this helps to explain my position, even if we may not agree on every aspect of this issue"

Edited

FFS.

"Hi. I think the best definition of a woman is a person who thinks, feels, looks or dresses a certain way, and I don't see why any women would possibly have a problem with that."

Sexist twunt. I bet she can't even see how sexist she's being when she nods along with the idea that some men are actually women because they think like women.

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/06/2026 16:39

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 11/06/2026 14:37

@Shortshriftandlethal - Thanks for sharing the correspondence from your MP, and your reply to her.

Her reply sounds an awful lot like the sort of letter other MP's have sent out. I'm beginning to think there's some sort of resource on the Labour Party intranet, that they can copy & paste answers for FAQ.

They all seem to mention "I have been contacted by a significant number of constituents ...." for a group that's only 0.5% of the population, all the Labour MP's seem to have a significant number of them in the constituencies, all of whom are very good at contacting their MP's.

She doesn't say what they're concerns are, she doesn't stipulate how the Guidance is in any way 'unfair' to 'trans' people.

"Nevertheless, my constituents argue that there are other cases where the argument for the exclusion of trans people from single-sex services is much less clear, such as in the case of a walking or book club."

Because your constituents don't want women to have anything for themselves.

Edited

Yes, and that is because all trans activist demands are predicated on everybody having to believe they have actually become the sex they want to be. A 'women's' book club is therefore meant to include men who' identify as' women'. Naming it as a 'women only' club is purely to validate the trans identities, and as such, is a total charade.

When people, including my MP, accept that men are not actually women no matter how they identify, then the rest of the demands are meaningless. My MP seems to be able to accept the existence of single sex spaces that are predicated on biological sex ( such rape crisis centres, refuges etc), but it is going to take some more time yet to get many, including her, over this last ideological hurdle of TWAW when we pretend they are.

She knows it really, but she is caught in a group think bind that her political career and identity relies on.

ArabellaScott · 11/06/2026 22:34

I wonder if the 'significant' is a value judgement rather than a reference to numbers.

Some people are considered more significant than others.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 11/06/2026 23:02

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/06/2026 12:06

I've had a fairly swift response from my MP to the email I sent asking her why she'd signed a motion against the ECHR guidance.

In her automated office response to my original email it stated that she no longer signed such motions as she believed them to be a waste of time that achieve nothing.

She is a former member of the 'Socialist Campaign Group' within the Labour party and quite pally with Kate Osborne:

"Thank you for sharing your views and for taking the time to write to me on this important issue.

I appreciate that many women have strong concerns about the protection of single-sex spaces, services and categories, and I recognise the significance of the Supreme Court's judgment and the need for organisations to comply with the law as interpreted by the courts.

However, I also hear from many constituents who are concerned about the practical impact that changes to guidance and policy may have on trans people. My view is that these issues require a careful and balanced approach that protects women's privacy, dignity and safety while also ensuring that trans people are treated with respect and are protected from discrimination and harassment.

Please see below a letter I sent to Bridget Phillipson MP, Secretary of State for Education and Minister for Women & Equalities addressing a range of concerns"

11th May 2026

"Dear Secretary of State,

I have been contacted by a significant number of constituents who are concerned about the possible content of the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) Code of Practice on Services, Public Functions and Associations which you announced in a statement on 14th April that the government intends to lay before the House in May or as soon as possible thereafter.

The judgement by the Supreme Court in April 2025 in the case of For Women Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers [2025] UKSC16 was greeted by the government as providing welcome clarity that the terms ‘man’, ’women’ and ‘sex’ in the Equality Act 2010 mean biological sex.

However, in the absence of statutory guidance it has remained unclear what practical steps service providers must take following that judgement. Initial guidance published in April by the EHRC on the implications of the judgement was subsequently withdrawn in October and was also the subject of a legal challenge.

It is perfectly understandable that the government will have wanted to get the guidance right in what is a complex and controversial area where opinions can be very sharply divided.

Nevertheless, many of the constituents who have written to me on this subject are concerned that the focus of the EHRC’s interim guidance was very much on the exclusion of trans people from services and activities.

The key question in the Supreme Court’s judgment was the intention of the Equality Act 2010 and it found that the definition of sex on which the Act was based was a biological one so that under the Act a trans woman (someone born as a man) would not be regarded as being biologically female even if they possessed a Gender Recognition Certificate.

I should stress that I believe that there might be very good reasons why some spaces should be kept separate for ‘biological’ women to protect their privacy, dignity and safety.

For example, I am very much aware of your own experience of running a refuge for victims of domestic abuse and I have also campaigned very strongly on the need for safe accommodation for victims of domestic violence where they can start to rebuild their lives.

There are other situations as well where the justification for providing separate spaces for ‘biological’ women seems relatively clear such as sharing a prison cell or a changing room where there are not lockable rooms.

Nevertheless, my constituents argue that there are other cases where the argument for the exclusion of trans people from single-sex services is much less clear, such as in the case of a walking or book club.

Even the issue of the arrangements for public toilets is not straightforward given the practical issues involved and was the focus of the legal challenge at the High Court over the EHRC’s interim guidance.

Trans people view the Supreme Court judgement against the background of the discrimination and harassment that many of them experience. Even when making allowance for changes in the way that crime is recorded, it is shocking that instances of hate crime recorded against transgender people more than doubled between 2017-18 and 2024-25 for example.

I strongly urge the government to take renewed action to tackle discrimination, hatred and bigotry against trans and non-binary people and to legislate to finally ban conversion practices aimed at transgender people which would give them greater confidence that the government takes trans rights seriously.

I make no claims to legal expertise, but I note that even before the Supreme Court judgement the Equality Act provided for access to same-sex services to be restricted in the case of trans people where that was ‘a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim’.

My constituents ask that the government adopts an approach in the Code of Practice that is workable and sensitive, focusing not just on circumstances where trans exclusion might be reasonable, but also setting out how service providers that wish to remain trans inclusive can do so.

The fact that it has taken so long to produce the Code of Practice suggests just how complex the issues involved are; we must safeguard both the right of women to safety and the right of trans people to be protected from discrimination and harassment. Neither blanket trans exclusion nor inclusion will properly do that"

"As you will see from the letter which I sent to the Secretary of State, I have urged the government to ensure that any Code of Practice is workable, proportionate and sensitive to the complexities involved. While I support legal clarity for service providers, I do not believe that either blanket exclusion or blanket inclusion provides an appropriate answer in every circumstance. Different settings may require different approaches, consistent with the Equality Act and the Supreme Court's judgment.

For that reason, I am joining colleagues in calling for the draft Code of Practice on Services, Public Functions and Associations to be disapproved via prayer motions in Parliament, as I believe further consideration is needed to ensure that the guidance strikes the right balance between protecting women's rights and safeguarding the rights and dignity of trans people.

I hope this helps to explain my position, even if we may not agree on every aspect of this issue"

Edited

Nevertheless, my constituents argue that there are other cases where the argument for the exclusion of trans people from single-sex services is much less clear, such as in the case of a walking or book club.

Your MP didn't read the Equality Act's Schedule 16 paragraph 1.1 then...

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 11/06/2026 23:05

Shortshriftandlethal · 11/06/2026 12:13

TBH, I couldn't be bothered go into great detail in my response to the above, but this was how i did respond.

The code of practice is entirely legal, proportionate and workable; and in fact most establishments are already implementing it. Take, as one example, the new Yoko Ono Auditorium at the University of Liverpool. It has installed, quietly and without fuss, an additional single occupancy 'gender neutral' facility alongside the single sex blocks - and this is sufficient to meet everyone's needs for dignity and privacy. All that is required in many large establishments is one additional accessible toilet or changing room. Most small establishments already have just single occupancy facilities and so are not impacted in any great way. It is vital that pubic institutions such as the NHS and local authorities abide by the ruling and do what is right by their female users,

The ECHR does not make the law, it simply issues guidance. I watched the Q &A session of the Women and Equalities Committee on Tuesday 9th June - with the ECHR, and I was appalled at the attitude and conduct of a number of MPs, including Labour MPs. They displayed open, personal hostility and a total refusal to engage in a mature and rational way. They compeletely failed to mention the rights and protections of women at any point in that session. Personally, I feel their behaviour and their abuse of parliamentary process merits discipline.

'Trans' people are either male or female like the rest of us. Single sex provsions are predicated on 'sex' not assumed 'gender identity' ( a recent construct). Women and girls have every right to expect that a facility that is designated as 'female only' is for female people only. Schools in the city of Liverpool, such as Chesterfieled High ( I am an ex teacher) which have flouted the requirements for single sex facilities in spending thousands of pounds on non compliant unisex toilets are breaking the law, and furthermore subjecting their pupils to unnecessary indignities. That organisations are having to be takien to court in order to ensure compliance is an affront to democracy and to the hard won proetctions enshrined in the Equality Act.

You have spoken about your trans identified constituents, but what about your female constituents, which is approximately 50% of them? I, and others, expect you to stand up for our established protections and not to sacrifice them on the altar of an ideology. The reason that Bridget Phillipson sat on the code for so long was entirely due to political expediency and to allay the outrage from members of her own backbenches - and when she finally produced it she managed to inject a clause ( which it has to be assumed she thought no-one would notice) which was entirely without legal basis ( and which will be challenged) purely to placate these activists. Your office response to my initial email was to say that you no longer sign such motions as you don't think they are effective. So, I have to wonder why did you choose to sign this one? These measures are purely obstructive and an abuse of process as far as I am concerned - and pay scant attention to legal rulings and what they imply.

For too long the Labour party tried to suppress the voices of people on this issue with the edicts of 'No Debate' and oft repeated mantra of 'TWAW'. In doing so the Labour party, including my own MPs, have alienated many former members and supporters. I don't recognise what the Labour party has become...subsumed in the americanised politics of identity and so called 'progressive' ideology. There is not a chance, going forward, that I will be voting Labour again, until it comes to its senses and starts to reflect the concerns and interests of the majority of the population.

from members of her own backbenches - and when she finally produced it she managed to inject a clause ( which it has to be assumed she thought no-one would notice) which was entirely without legal basis ( and which will be challenged) purely to placate these activists.

What clause did I manage to miss?

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/06/2026 09:48

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 11/06/2026 23:05

from members of her own backbenches - and when she finally produced it she managed to inject a clause ( which it has to be assumed she thought no-one would notice) which was entirely without legal basis ( and which will be challenged) purely to placate these activists.

What clause did I manage to miss?

The bit about not asking someone about their sex - which was put in latterly to appease activists.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 12/06/2026 11:28

impossibletoday · 12/06/2026 08:34

This is a very interesting watch

https://x.com/i/status/2065284634892497012

Thank you.
So interesting to hear it unpicked like that

GreyskySexRealistsky · 12/06/2026 11:43

Interesting thanks @impossibletoday

I am very pleased that MAS used the phrase "performing femininity" several times at that meeting.

Datun · 12/06/2026 11:59

impossibletoday · 12/06/2026 08:34

This is a very interesting watch

https://x.com/i/status/2065284634892497012

That's very interesting. From a linguistic point of view I love how she walks you through it.

It's almost amusing that these are the same old TRA arguments that have been on this board for about ten years.

That one especially gets to me, though. They're admitting that men will lie to get into women's spaces and unless you can have a fool proof way of identifying them not based on perception alone, it's you who have walked into the gotcha, not them!

The bloody holier than thou expression whilst they are siding with men who they say will lie to access unconsenting women.

Stupid as fuck doesn't really cover it!

teawamutu · 12/06/2026 12:17

Whittome really does look like a sulky child.

stillcantfindreverse · 12/06/2026 15:26

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/06/2026 09:48

The bit about not asking someone about their sex - which was put in latterly to appease activists.

And on another thread.... the quick, cheap cheek swab test is coming, so any disputes can be settled in minutes in any cafe, gym, etc. No need to ask anything, just hand over the swab and invite the sharing of results if they'd care to use the female space.

Fully justified adding to the other thread and the video of MPs insisting menwith trans identities will not respect women's spaces and cannot be trusted. Which seems a bit... prejudiced to me, but whatever, I'm just a voter and I'm sure they know what they're talking about.

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/06/2026 16:04

I'm sure Nadia Whittome and Sarah Owen would have been perfectly capable of identifying the sex of everyone at that session, including those they had not met before. Like everyone else, they would have done so automatically and instinctively.

They think they are so clever don't they, but they really aren't. They are like stroppy teenagers.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 12/06/2026 18:37

Shortshriftandlethal · 12/06/2026 16:04

I'm sure Nadia Whittome and Sarah Owen would have been perfectly capable of identifying the sex of everyone at that session, including those they had not met before. Like everyone else, they would have done so automatically and instinctively.

They think they are so clever don't they, but they really aren't. They are like stroppy teenagers.

Edited

They never see seem to have any trouble identifying women to patronise abd insult and men performing female to fawn over

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 12/06/2026 22:27

toyl9876 · 09/06/2026 18:25

The cruelty in your response is absolutely staggering. And what does it have to do with validation? I’m not asking to be put on the women’s ward. I’m just asking not to be placed with men. For me, I would find that incredibly distressing because of how strongly I feel about not identifying with men.

I don't identify with most men either, certainly not with those men who cover themselves in tattoos and think that swearing constantly and being aggressive towards nurses proves that they are "manly". What on earth has that got to do with which ward we should be on? When I was in hospital, to be honest all I cared about was pain relief and when I was going to have the operation I obviously needed. If they'd put me on a women's ward I hope I would have pointed out that the women probably didn't want me there, but the fact that I don't identify with women in the sense of either sex or "gender identity" would have been totally irrelevant.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/06/2026 09:46

GreyskySexRealistsky · 12/06/2026 11:43

Interesting thanks @impossibletoday

I am very pleased that MAS used the phrase "performing femininity" several times at that meeting.

Yes, she gave them something of a tutorial on the construction of trans ideology........you could see the confused looks on their faces as they pretended to take notes.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/06/2026 09:47

Both Whittome and Owen looked spectacularly gormless.

stillcantfindreverse · 13/06/2026 09:49

It is depressing to have confirmed that the MPs there genuinely didnt know the difference between guidance and law - and really didn't know what they were talking about or this most basic facet of their day job. It was kind of MAS as she realised this to offer a powerpoint to try and teach them but flipping heck.... what kind of people do we have making the decisions in this country!

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/06/2026 09:59

stillcantfindreverse · 13/06/2026 09:49

It is depressing to have confirmed that the MPs there genuinely didnt know the difference between guidance and law - and really didn't know what they were talking about or this most basic facet of their day job. It was kind of MAS as she realised this to offer a powerpoint to try and teach them but flipping heck.... what kind of people do we have making the decisions in this country!

The same with local councils. This is what happens when elected officials see themselves primarily as activists rather than as public servants with a duty to professionalism.

stillcantfindreverse · 13/06/2026 10:37

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/06/2026 09:59

The same with local councils. This is what happens when elected officials see themselves primarily as activists rather than as public servants with a duty to professionalism.

Edited

or even a duty of basic competency.

Shortshriftandlethal · 13/06/2026 10:44

Abuse of parliamentary process involves the deliberate manipulation, circumvention, or weaponization of legislative rules and privileges to obstruct scrutiny, avoid accountability, or subvert the constitutional separation of powers. Specific examples typically include the following actions:

  • Evading Judicial Orders: Deliberately breaching court injunctions (such as privacy orders) or actively frustrating judicial proceedings by hiding behind absolute parliamentary privilege.
  • Contempt of Parliament: Suppressing, altering, or destroying official papers; refusing to attend or give evidence to parliamentary committees; and intimidating or bribing witnesses or members.
  • Stifling Debate: Weaponizing procedural mechanisms (like excessive filibustering) or controversially suspending legislative sittings (prorogation) specifically to prevent the legislature from scrutinizing executive actions.
  • Strategic Misrepresentation: Purposely misleading the House or its committees.

In the UK, alleged breaches of protocol are investigated by the House of Commons Committee of Privilegesor the House of Lords Committee for Privileges and Conduct. Severe individual misconduct, such as bullying or harassment, can be independently evaluated by the Independent Complaints and Grievance Scheme.
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Olderbadger1 · 13/06/2026 18:07

What makes me particularly infuriated is that these parliamentary half-wits are encouraging citizen half-wits to believe that they can continue to do what they like, and that, somehow, getting rid of the code will change the law. And that they have a right to continue to attack/harass anyone who disagrees with them.

Hence EHRC offices attacked a few days ago and now this posted on X from the Bash Back account. Bash Back were the group who smashed the windows of the Brighton Conference Centre at the last FiLiA Feminist Conference. Don't think anyone was ever arrested...

"BREAKING
Independent actionists representing BASH BACK have targeted the EHRC’s offices in Cardiff, Cymru.
The EHRC cannot run away from the consequences of their bigoted “guidance”.
The fight continues.
xoxo BASH BACK from the Bash Back"

And our halfwitted new Plaid government left the Senedd chamber last week when a Reform member of the Senedd spoke about the SC judgment and and women's rights to single-sex spaces. So much for the promise of a collaborative approach to government.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 13/06/2026 18:24

Independent actionists representing BASH BACK have targeted the EHRC’s offices in Cardiff, Cymru.

Any more details on when, I'm not far from Cardiff, I'd like to give them a warm welcome to Wales. Happy to kick their arses over back over the bridge.

stillcantfindreverse · 13/06/2026 19:18

The guidance cannot be any different from the actual law you utter, utter muppets.

I'll sit back to enjoy the two tier policing.