Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

[happydappy2]

Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

I'm not victim blaming. I'm saying your poor child has been terribly let down by the people who pretended to be their side.

At the end of the day, humans can't change sex and sex matters in our world. Far better for these children to have been told there is no 'right way' to be male or female and be supported within that knowledge.

The poster has a female child, if I remember correctly.

Grim.

it is so sad that some people think supporting a child to be themselves, involves pretending to be the opposite sex and all the medical interventions that entails.

We must somehow find a way to let effeminate boys and masculine girls know that they are just fine as they are....no need to pretend to be something you never can be.

I am sorry your child had that experience.

however, I take issue with your statement that trans women are women and therefore sure it’s grand let them in wherever.

i have trauma. My right to single sex spaces is enshrined in law. The and individuals don’t get to break the law.

futhwrmore, the continual boundary crossing engaged in by trans women is a slippery slope. There is one “out” trans woman on this website who has made it clear that he doesn’t care about my consent or lack thereof and that he intends to continue to enter female spaces. This is abhorrent.

your child may, at some point in the future, need the sex based protection in the EA and it’s important that those are maintained.

edit for spelling. My hands are shaking as a result of being massively triggered by some comments made by a poster here and I’m struggling to come down from it.

My child is an individual who knew who they were at four years old, and has been let down by ignorant adults addicted to transphobic hate.

He has thought very deeply on the subject of gender, is a dedicated feminist and as a gnc trans guy who often expresses that by wearing skirts, needs no lecture on the 'right' way to exist.

Trans people are just trans. Inventing theories about them to explain their existence, rather than listen to them, is transphobia.

what is grim!

I am not aware of ever having invented any theories around trans people. I accept that they exist and they should be allowed to present as they please.

what they aren’t is entitled to enter the single sex spaces of the sex that they have transitioned to, in the uk at least.

how can a child know they are trans age 4? How can a 4 year old even be aware of the concept of transexuals?

Your child is/was gender non conforming. They are not somehow the opposite sex. You are in a hiding to nothing trying to get the rest of the world to pretend that they are.

That is not because of 'transphobia' that is because we all know humans can't change sex, it's basic scientific principle.

How do you know you're not?

the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this?

I sure bloody hope you are,

What's "wrong" is busybodies thinking they have the right to decide what kind of pleasure other people are entitled to get in their own bodies,

I still remember when my DNephew was around that age and wearing his Thomas the Tank Engine dress-up costume. I said "Wow, you really do look like Thomas, don't you?!" and this upset him, because he angrily stamped his feet insisted "No, I don't look like Thomas - I AM Thomas!"

It made perfect sense to him in his 4yo mind, and I, as an adult, was being really mean for not instantly understanding and accepting 'his truth'. My DN is now 20, he hasn't dressed up as TtTE for a very long time and he identifies as a young man... because he now has a mature mind and understands that this is exactly what he is in actuality.

There are photographs of exactly this (children being born with both sets of genitalia) in the hospital i work in.

Did people on this forum know they were female at age 4? I am guessing yes. So what can't trans people know they are trans at age 4?

That doesn’t mean they aren’t one sex or the other. As I understand it, all cases of dsd are disorders of sexual development of one or other sex.

You repeatedly misgendering someone's child.

That's utter nonsense. No human has ever been born with complete sets of both genitalia.

And what's that got to do with being 'trans' anyway?

Children know what sex they are at 4 because of their physical make up.

What would alert them to being 'trans'?

Correctly sexing

Son. See above.

No it's a daughter abusing testosterone who wants to be a boy but never will be.

How do you know you're not Donald Trump, or another race/nationality, or a tiger, or an iPad, or a tea-towel, or Warrington train station?

There was a woman once who 'married' the Berlin Wall - when did you first realise and come to acceptance of the fact that you didn't fancy brick walls (assuming that you don't)?

There are photographs of exactly this (children being born with both sets of genitalia) in the hospital i work in.

No there aren't. No child is born with both sets of genitalia. It's developmentally & embryologically impossible. A few rare DSDs may have ambiguous genitalia but that's different. The true sex may need to be verified by examining chromoomes.

@TransParentlyAnnoyed Treating trans people as a conspiracy is encouraging violent men to believe that attacking them - even killing them - is socially acceptable.

Can you show us the evidence of this happening in the UK? Surely the BBC would do an entire webpage on it every time it happened, if it were true.

Did people on this forum know they were female at age 4? I am guessing yes. So what can't trans people know they are trans at age 4?

Sex is real so knowing whether you are male or female is as simple as looking at your own body. So called "trans" is just a made up thing that no 4 year old would conceive of without the coercion of adults. There is no such thing as a "trans" child just parents who want a "trans" child.