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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

562 replies

happydappy2 · 31/05/2026 10:19

Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

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MarieDeGournay · 02/06/2026 23:43

NameChangeMay2026 · 02/06/2026 22:40

I think you're failing to see the risk to transwomen of certain kinds of men beating them up.

They're much safer in the disabled loos, which are almost always free anyway. People have to share, since there's not infinite space.

I don't know why you'd want to insist on TW being put into a vulnerable position. I very much doubt you would want anyone to be beaten up.

I'm not failing to see the risk, I'm failing to see the evidence of any risk of men beating up transwomen in the men's toilets.

So I don't accept that they are being put in a vulnerable position by using the toilets designated for them.
It's bizarre to suggest that I 'want' anyone to be beaten up, just because I want people to do the right thing and use the toilets designated for them!

Mis-use of the accessible toilets by people who don't need the adaptations in them is unacceptable. An accessible toilet is not a consolation prize for transpeople.

There are millions of disabled people in the UK who have no choice but to use an adapted toilet; unlike transpeople, who are able use the standard toilets, but choose not to.

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 00:24

NameChangeMay2026 · 02/06/2026 21:41

You must surely see that a trans woman is a huge target for being physically attacked by men in the men's loos and that, if they have had much of their strength dissolved by taking hormones, it wouldn't exactly be a fair fight. I'm sure you wouldn't want an innocent person to be badly beaten, no matter their sex or gender.

No reason why TW can't use the disabled loos. People have to learn to share, since there isn't infinite space.

Why do you think men are beating up other men in the men's loos?

Have you any evidence for this?

NameChangeMay2026 · 03/06/2026 00:48

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 00:24

Why do you think men are beating up other men in the men's loos?

Have you any evidence for this?

It's common sense, because everyone knows that a percentage of men attack LGBTQ people. They always have.

But if you find that hard to believe, the bulleted statistics below are about violence towards transgender people.
Source: Crown Prosecution Service.
Link to the CPS page with these stats: https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

  • Research indicates that 62% - 73% of transgender people have experienced harassment and violence because they were identified as transgender. This included verbal abuse, threatening behaviour, physical and sexual assault.
  • Despite high rates of hate crime or incidents towards transgender people, a high proportion goes unreported.
  • A study in 2012, found that four fifths of respondents are fearful and avoided some situations with half saying that they avoided public toilets and gyms.
  • Research indicates that 91% of transgender boys and 66% of transgender girls experienced harassment at school, leading to depression and isolation.
  • A report from 2015 found that fear of being treated poorly leads victims of hate crime to avoid reporting to authorities. According to the same research, 88% of LGBT people had experienced some form of hate incident.
A longitudinal survey from 2013 showed that:
  • One in ten experiencing homophobic crime was physically assaulted.
  • One in eight victims experienced unwanted sexual contact.
  • One in eight victims have had their home, vehicle or property vandalised.
  • 85% of LGB people who had suffered a hate crime or incident in the past three years reported being harassed, insulted or intimidated as part of it.
  • Two thirds of victims did not report it to anyone.
  • Two in five victims did not report it because they didn’t think it was serious enough to report.
  • One in fourteen victims was concerned about further homophobia from those to whom they would report it.
  • More than one in five of those who did report the crime or incident did not mention its homophobic nature.

Context and characteristics of hostility towards sexual orientation and transgender identity | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

NameChangeMay2026 · 03/06/2026 00:51

MarieDeGournay · 02/06/2026 23:43

I'm not failing to see the risk, I'm failing to see the evidence of any risk of men beating up transwomen in the men's toilets.

So I don't accept that they are being put in a vulnerable position by using the toilets designated for them.
It's bizarre to suggest that I 'want' anyone to be beaten up, just because I want people to do the right thing and use the toilets designated for them!

Mis-use of the accessible toilets by people who don't need the adaptations in them is unacceptable. An accessible toilet is not a consolation prize for transpeople.

There are millions of disabled people in the UK who have no choice but to use an adapted toilet; unlike transpeople, who are able use the standard toilets, but choose not to.

I literally wrote "I doubt very much that you'd want anyone to be beaten up." I'm not sure why you wrote that it's bizarre to suggest you want anyone beaten up when I wrote the direct opposite. Maybe you misread.

As for evidence, see my post above for evidence of transpeople's vulnerability, direct from the Crown Prosecution Service.

Taztoy · 03/06/2026 05:20

NameChangeMay2026 · 02/06/2026 21:41

You must surely see that a trans woman is a huge target for being physically attacked by men in the men's loos and that, if they have had much of their strength dissolved by taking hormones, it wouldn't exactly be a fair fight. I'm sure you wouldn't want an innocent person to be badly beaten, no matter their sex or gender.

No reason why TW can't use the disabled loos. People have to learn to share, since there isn't infinite space.

Plenty of reason. I have trauma. I’ve discussed it on here before. I say no.

re the stealthing. I’ve discussed that before too. I believe that using the wrong sex toilet, that is, the toilet different to the sex that you were born, should be a crime. It is analogous to stealthing.

finally, the law says men need to obey the law.

HenriettaSwanLeavitt · 03/06/2026 11:17

NameChangeMay2026 · 03/06/2026 00:48

It's common sense, because everyone knows that a percentage of men attack LGBTQ people. They always have.

But if you find that hard to believe, the bulleted statistics below are about violence towards transgender people.
Source: Crown Prosecution Service.
Link to the CPS page with these stats: https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

  • Research indicates that 62% - 73% of transgender people have experienced harassment and violence because they were identified as transgender. This included verbal abuse, threatening behaviour, physical and sexual assault.
  • Despite high rates of hate crime or incidents towards transgender people, a high proportion goes unreported.
  • A study in 2012, found that four fifths of respondents are fearful and avoided some situations with half saying that they avoided public toilets and gyms.
  • Research indicates that 91% of transgender boys and 66% of transgender girls experienced harassment at school, leading to depression and isolation.
  • A report from 2015 found that fear of being treated poorly leads victims of hate crime to avoid reporting to authorities. According to the same research, 88% of LGBT people had experienced some form of hate incident.
A longitudinal survey from 2013 showed that:
  • One in ten experiencing homophobic crime was physically assaulted.
  • One in eight victims experienced unwanted sexual contact.
  • One in eight victims have had their home, vehicle or property vandalised.
  • 85% of LGB people who had suffered a hate crime or incident in the past three years reported being harassed, insulted or intimidated as part of it.
  • Two thirds of victims did not report it to anyone.
  • Two in five victims did not report it because they didn’t think it was serious enough to report.
  • One in fourteen victims was concerned about further homophobia from those to whom they would report it.
  • More than one in five of those who did report the crime or incident did not mention its homophobic nature.

The second half of those stats is actually about homosexual people, not transgender people. Did you not realise that? There are no stats there that are specific to violence in toilets.
Are you content for able-bodied homosexual men to use the disabled toilets too? If not, why not?

MarieDeGournay · 03/06/2026 11:32

NameChangeMay2026 · 03/06/2026 00:51

I literally wrote "I doubt very much that you'd want anyone to be beaten up." I'm not sure why you wrote that it's bizarre to suggest you want anyone beaten up when I wrote the direct opposite. Maybe you misread.

As for evidence, see my post above for evidence of transpeople's vulnerability, direct from the Crown Prosecution Service.

Why did you even mention the possibility that I might want anyone to be beaten up?
Why did you phrase it as you having a doubt that I might want anyone to be beaten up?

I read what you actually wrote very carefully, because I don't take lightly even a 'doubt' that I might want anyone to be beaten up.

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 11:44

NameChangeMay2026 · 03/06/2026 00:48

It's common sense, because everyone knows that a percentage of men attack LGBTQ people. They always have.

But if you find that hard to believe, the bulleted statistics below are about violence towards transgender people.
Source: Crown Prosecution Service.
Link to the CPS page with these stats: https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

  • Research indicates that 62% - 73% of transgender people have experienced harassment and violence because they were identified as transgender. This included verbal abuse, threatening behaviour, physical and sexual assault.
  • Despite high rates of hate crime or incidents towards transgender people, a high proportion goes unreported.
  • A study in 2012, found that four fifths of respondents are fearful and avoided some situations with half saying that they avoided public toilets and gyms.
  • Research indicates that 91% of transgender boys and 66% of transgender girls experienced harassment at school, leading to depression and isolation.
  • A report from 2015 found that fear of being treated poorly leads victims of hate crime to avoid reporting to authorities. According to the same research, 88% of LGBT people had experienced some form of hate incident.
A longitudinal survey from 2013 showed that:
  • One in ten experiencing homophobic crime was physically assaulted.
  • One in eight victims experienced unwanted sexual contact.
  • One in eight victims have had their home, vehicle or property vandalised.
  • 85% of LGB people who had suffered a hate crime or incident in the past three years reported being harassed, insulted or intimidated as part of it.
  • Two thirds of victims did not report it to anyone.
  • Two in five victims did not report it because they didn’t think it was serious enough to report.
  • One in fourteen victims was concerned about further homophobia from those to whom they would report it.
  • More than one in five of those who did report the crime or incident did not mention its homophobic nature.

Nothing you have quoted there is saying that trans identified men are being beaten up by other men in the men's bathrooms

Taztoy · 03/06/2026 11:49

If men are at risk of being beaten up in men’s bathrooms, that would be a male problem to solve.

not Women’s. I say no. And I’m not for budging up to let a man in regardless of how he identifies.

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 11:55

Taztoy · 03/06/2026 11:49

If men are at risk of being beaten up in men’s bathrooms, that would be a male problem to solve.

not Women’s. I say no. And I’m not for budging up to let a man in regardless of how he identifies.

Well quite.

It would also be very shocking, no? Men beating up other men because of how they're dressed? If this is the case, surely there should be FAR more focus on tackling such appalling behaviour?

But there's crickets on tackling men's behaviour. Instead it's all about pressuring women to give up their spaces. I wonder why? 🤔

Taztoy · 03/06/2026 11:57

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 11:55

Well quite.

It would also be very shocking, no? Men beating up other men because of how they're dressed? If this is the case, surely there should be FAR more focus on tackling such appalling behaviour?

But there's crickets on tackling men's behaviour. Instead it's all about pressuring women to give up their spaces. I wonder why? 🤔

Be kind. Protect the dolls. 🤨

BunnyBunbunbun · 03/06/2026 12:57

NameChangeMay2026 · 03/06/2026 00:48

It's common sense, because everyone knows that a percentage of men attack LGBTQ people. They always have.

But if you find that hard to believe, the bulleted statistics below are about violence towards transgender people.
Source: Crown Prosecution Service.
Link to the CPS page with these stats: https://www.cps.gov.uk/types-crime/hate-crime/context-and-characteristics-hostility-towards-sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity

  • Research indicates that 62% - 73% of transgender people have experienced harassment and violence because they were identified as transgender. This included verbal abuse, threatening behaviour, physical and sexual assault.
  • Despite high rates of hate crime or incidents towards transgender people, a high proportion goes unreported.
  • A study in 2012, found that four fifths of respondents are fearful and avoided some situations with half saying that they avoided public toilets and gyms.
  • Research indicates that 91% of transgender boys and 66% of transgender girls experienced harassment at school, leading to depression and isolation.
  • A report from 2015 found that fear of being treated poorly leads victims of hate crime to avoid reporting to authorities. According to the same research, 88% of LGBT people had experienced some form of hate incident.
A longitudinal survey from 2013 showed that:
  • One in ten experiencing homophobic crime was physically assaulted.
  • One in eight victims experienced unwanted sexual contact.
  • One in eight victims have had their home, vehicle or property vandalised.
  • 85% of LGB people who had suffered a hate crime or incident in the past three years reported being harassed, insulted or intimidated as part of it.
  • Two thirds of victims did not report it to anyone.
  • Two in five victims did not report it because they didn’t think it was serious enough to report.
  • One in fourteen victims was concerned about further homophobia from those to whom they would report it.
  • More than one in five of those who did report the crime or incident did not mention its homophobic nature.

According to what you're saying then, gay men (I'm presuming you mean gay men, even though you don't specify) are vulnerable to being beaten up by a small percentage of men. So, following your logic, gay men should also be allowed to use the women's loos.

Kate8175 · 03/06/2026 13:22

Oooh here come those bad faith terf tactics again…anyone up for a game of bingo to see how many we can spot in this thread alone. First to a full house wins a prize!

Misrepresentation — They restate your argument as something you didn’t say, then argue against that instead. When you correct them, they insist that’s what you implied. You end up defending a position you never held.

Moving the goalposts — Every time you meet their standard of evidence, the standard changes. No source is acceptable. No argument is sufficient. The debate has no possible end point because that’s by design

Tone policing — The moment you push back with any firmness, the focus shifts to how you said it. “Why are you so aggressive?” Your actual argument disappears and you’re now defending your manner instead.

Claiming victimhood from the exchange — A calm, evidenced response becomes “exactly the kind of abuse trans activists dish out.” Engaging with them is reframed as attacking them.

Argument by silence — If you don’t reply, it’s taken as concession. If you do reply, you’re obsessed. If you step away, you’re running. There is no correct move within the rules they’ve set.

Pile-on — Multiple posters make the same point to manufacture the impression of overwhelming consensus. Dissent is made to feel isolated even when it isn’t.

Concern trolling — “I’m just asking questions.” “I used to agree with you but…” “As someone who supports trans rights, I think you’ve gone too far.” Designed to sound reasonable while undermining your position.

Credential demanding — Whatever you say, you’re not qualified to say it. But when you cite experts, the experts are captured or biased.

The bad faith apology loop — If you ever apologise for anything or soften your position, it’s used as proof you were wrong all along and leveraged to demand further concessions.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/06/2026 14:30

NameChangeMay2026
You must surely see that a trans woman is a huge target for being physically attacked by men in the men's loos

Can you link to reports of cases in which this has happened? I seem to have missed them.

Boiledbeetle · 03/06/2026 14:47

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Kate8175 · 03/06/2026 14:48

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 03/06/2026 14:30

NameChangeMay2026
You must surely see that a trans woman is a huge target for being physically attacked by men in the men's loos

Can you link to reports of cases in which this has happened? I seem to have missed them.

Ooh here’s one off my bingo card!!

Boiledbeetle · 03/06/2026 14:51

Kate8175 · 03/06/2026 14:48

Ooh here’s one off my bingo card!!

You're a bit late to the bingo. Most of us got a full house on this thread ages ago.

rupauls drag race bingo GIF
Kate8175 · 03/06/2026 15:23

Boiledbeetle · 03/06/2026 14:51

You're a bit late to the bingo. Most of us got a full house on this thread ages ago.

and another!!

Coldwetlettuce · 03/06/2026 16:25

happydappy2 · 02/06/2026 22:06

but trans women don't have to take any hormones to be trans....people absolutely don't have to share any space! womens are females, disabled are for disabled.

Mens are for the men-no matter how they identify, it really is that simple.

Third spaces that are gender neutral need to be built (as is the proposed guidance for new or existing organisations that may be refurbing their toilets anyway), until then they should use the disabled. It’s not exactly going to impact disabled people, since less than 1% of people are trans. I don’t necessarily want to share with all trans women either, some I wouldn’t have a problem sharing with (the ones who’ve had their penises removed and fully commit to being trans). I don’t want to share with a big hairy bloke in a dress who self-IDs as trans, because let’s be honest, he’s the one far more likely to be AGP and potentially wank in the toilet. But it’s a fact that a very feminine looking, post-op trans woman is at risk of sexual assault in a men’s toilet. It’s sad that some people just don’t give a shit about that. That, to me is the difference between being a transphobic bigot and being GC but also recognising the difficulties trans people face and believing they’re worthy of human rights. Just because someone’s trans doesn’t make their life any less worthy and doesn’t mean they deserve to be assaulted.

spannasaurus · 03/06/2026 16:32

Coldwetlettuce · 03/06/2026 16:25

Third spaces that are gender neutral need to be built (as is the proposed guidance for new or existing organisations that may be refurbing their toilets anyway), until then they should use the disabled. It’s not exactly going to impact disabled people, since less than 1% of people are trans. I don’t necessarily want to share with all trans women either, some I wouldn’t have a problem sharing with (the ones who’ve had their penises removed and fully commit to being trans). I don’t want to share with a big hairy bloke in a dress who self-IDs as trans, because let’s be honest, he’s the one far more likely to be AGP and potentially wank in the toilet. But it’s a fact that a very feminine looking, post-op trans woman is at risk of sexual assault in a men’s toilet. It’s sad that some people just don’t give a shit about that. That, to me is the difference between being a transphobic bigot and being GC but also recognising the difficulties trans people face and believing they’re worthy of human rights. Just because someone’s trans doesn’t make their life any less worthy and doesn’t mean they deserve to be assaulted.

That big hairy bloke in a dress may have a GRC and have a reissued female birth certificate. No requirement to take hormones or have surgery to have a GRC

AgentPidge · 03/06/2026 16:36

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 31/05/2026 14:26

....

running for a bus?

😂

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 16:38

Coldwetlettuce · 03/06/2026 16:25

Third spaces that are gender neutral need to be built (as is the proposed guidance for new or existing organisations that may be refurbing their toilets anyway), until then they should use the disabled. It’s not exactly going to impact disabled people, since less than 1% of people are trans. I don’t necessarily want to share with all trans women either, some I wouldn’t have a problem sharing with (the ones who’ve had their penises removed and fully commit to being trans). I don’t want to share with a big hairy bloke in a dress who self-IDs as trans, because let’s be honest, he’s the one far more likely to be AGP and potentially wank in the toilet. But it’s a fact that a very feminine looking, post-op trans woman is at risk of sexual assault in a men’s toilet. It’s sad that some people just don’t give a shit about that. That, to me is the difference between being a transphobic bigot and being GC but also recognising the difficulties trans people face and believing they’re worthy of human rights. Just because someone’s trans doesn’t make their life any less worthy and doesn’t mean they deserve to be assaulted.

Is it a fact though?

Based on what?

And I find it extraordinary that if people genuinely think men are beating up feminine looking men in the toilets that they are not addressing the actual cause. Violent men. They'd much rather harangue women for not giving up their spaces instead.

Taztoy · 03/06/2026 16:39

Coldwetlettuce · 03/06/2026 16:25

Third spaces that are gender neutral need to be built (as is the proposed guidance for new or existing organisations that may be refurbing their toilets anyway), until then they should use the disabled. It’s not exactly going to impact disabled people, since less than 1% of people are trans. I don’t necessarily want to share with all trans women either, some I wouldn’t have a problem sharing with (the ones who’ve had their penises removed and fully commit to being trans). I don’t want to share with a big hairy bloke in a dress who self-IDs as trans, because let’s be honest, he’s the one far more likely to be AGP and potentially wank in the toilet. But it’s a fact that a very feminine looking, post-op trans woman is at risk of sexual assault in a men’s toilet. It’s sad that some people just don’t give a shit about that. That, to me is the difference between being a transphobic bigot and being GC but also recognising the difficulties trans people face and believing they’re worthy of human rights. Just because someone’s trans doesn’t make their life any less worthy and doesn’t mean they deserve to be assaulted.

If men are at risk of any kind of assault in a men’s toilet, that would be a men’s problem. It’s not for women to budge up and make room. How about men expand the definition of man?

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 16:43

Taztoy · 03/06/2026 16:39

If men are at risk of any kind of assault in a men’s toilet, that would be a men’s problem. It’s not for women to budge up and make room. How about men expand the definition of man?

No need to expand the definition of men. They are men.

Other men need to stop beating them up for presenting differently to typical men. You would think that was a basic ask, right?

Taztoy · 03/06/2026 16:49

TheKeatingFive · 03/06/2026 16:43

No need to expand the definition of men. They are men.

Other men need to stop beating them up for presenting differently to typical men. You would think that was a basic ask, right?

You’d think so?

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