Should breast implants for males be made illegal?

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Having learned more about the sexual desires of males, AGP in particular. I now think that as women we have to push back and stop this madness. We live in a world where females are vulnerable to sexual assault by males-we are literally hunted by them. Combined with the safeguarding of children aspect....all parents I know explain to young children that if you get lost, look for a lady to help you, preferably another Mummy....I know men can wear a padded bra to achieve the look, but still the thought of males getting sexual pleasure by having fake boobs & their male tackle-just seems wrong. Am I alone in thinking this? Looking at society as a whole, I can't see any benefit to women and children of men being allowed to get silicone breast implants.....

And I’ve told you. I’ll never have peace again.

goading isn’t allowed here. Just fyi.

No.

I'm asking you to explain how you can reconcile women's need for single sex spaces and a certain cohort of men's desire to be in those spaces.

You said you think this can be done, so isn't it perfectly reasonable of us to ask how?

Wishing people 'peace' while cheerfully wanting to sign their legal rights away is not very nice behaviour, don't you think?

Its goady. And certainly isn’t fair given what I disclosed. But hey ho.

Its not the first time I've seen it, but it always shocks me to see how the 'be kind' brigade react to your story.

yes. But you cannot force someone to engage. There will always be those who will declare that they are kind and thoughtful, while undermining others and denying it and feeling that they have greater wisdom and knowledge while not sharing that wisdom and knowledge because they need a specially curated environment to engage. One that will not point out the immediate flaws in their beliefs.

I just genuinely want to debate it with someone who isn’t gender critical and try to understand why a fourth space isn’t a decent solution.

hey ho.

Is placing transwomen in womens prisons compatible with women's safety?

Bearing in mind that some of those transwomen will be rapists

If you believe it is about basic human respect, rather that female socialisation, how do you explain that men don't show basic human respect to women by respecting our spaces?

Why don't men - and specifically here, trans identifying men who claim to be so in tune with what it's like to be a woman that they are women - think to themselves

'This is something that the majority of women feel very strongly about - they want toilets, changing rooms, etc., to be for biological females only.
There must be some good reason that we don't get, but let's do the decent thing anyway, let's #bekind, let's show basic human respect for others, and stay out.

Where is their instinctive, because non-socialised, basic human respect for women?

If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.

Well exactly.

If trans identifying men are vulnerable (I'm not saying they aren't), why can't that vulnerability be handled in specific provision of their own?

Why would there be any need to impact women's spaces at all?

Why do they care so little for the feelings of women?

What this whole sorry mess has taught me is that casual misogyny is absolutely rife in our society.

Vast swathes of people genuinely believe that men's demands are more important than women's rights and needs. That's clearly illustrated on this thread.

Now I'm sure people aren't necessarily conscious of this when they're doing it, but the speed and enthusiasm with which so many are happy to hand women's spaces to men because men want them - bears it out.

Its been eye opening. In a hugely depressing way.

Yip. Agree. And the Allys are almost worse.

It occurs to me that men who want everyone other than sexually vanilla-straight humans of either sex to come under the "trans umbrella" have done themselves no favours at all by going out of their way to make it easy for violent and sexually violently men to claim to be trans (self-identifying as trans) when they are charged with or convicted of violent and sexual crimes. It must greatly increase the number of absolutely fake-trans male offenders being recorded as trans women. And since it allows them to insist they should be imprisoned in the women's estate, it makes them really, really obvious when the statistics are looked at and it is discovered that trans sexual offenders are a larger proportion of the male prison population than ought to be reasonable if trans people are 0.5% or fewer of the population at large.

TRA's dodging any and all reasonable questions regarding their philosophical beliefs and the impact they have on the material reality of women as a sex class👀

Actually, you didn't bother answering the pertinent question about whether or not you intended to be so disrespectful in your comments. I am not talking about you labelling people as 'GCs'. I am specifically asking you directly if you meant your post to disrespect other's choices to not use the language you choose to use?

"I read this directly as you questioning why I and others cannot be respectful and use the female language a male person demands we use for them. Maybe you didn't intend it to be judgemental, but I don't see this post above as being 'respectful' towards the people you labelled as 'GCs'."

I read you posts as being very hypocritical. Maybe you didn't mean them to be, or maybe you have come to believe that you can attempt to shame others through emotionally manipulative language because you have seen that being used by activists and have copied it.

Black men (some black men) call themselves and each other niggahs. This absolutely does not entitle anyone else to use that sort of racist, offensive, pejorative term about any black man.

(I am with the person who prefers the phrase gender realist, by the way. I am not critical of gender any more than I am critical of jeans or skirts; I try to be realistic about it and them.)

As I’ve stated above, I’m not willing to discuss further here as it’s not a place for respectful, open or meaningful discussion with so many people just trying to goad, provoke or intentionally misinterpret. Wishing you peace all the best

I’ve never met anyone else who is an attempted murder victim. I would welcome your tips for how to get over it.

I see. So you don’t want to correct any misinterpretation - just accuse people of bad faith interpretation.

Or maybe you wish to make disrespectful statements while denying that you are doing so which is rather dishonest.

edit to add: You want to claim it is ‘goading’ so you can claim that you are the victim however valid the observation is. Your claim of respecting people is contradictory to your posts.

You do know that saying you wish people peace is the equivalent of telling someone "I will pray for you" with the definite implication that they are badly in need of being enlightened as a result of the prayers of others who actively disrespect them?

Yes, I'm sure you do....

If you wish to misinterpret my intention that’s up to you! Wishing you peace all the same :)

@Kate8175 can you please elucidate exactly how I have been disrespectful. Thank you

I personally find someone deflecting from engaging with statements of ‘wishing peace’ while also then not being respectful as being highly uncomfortable. Please stop doing that in relation to my posts.