Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

[Tooting33]

I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event. My local LWS group are fully supportive, as are the leaders of my local WRN groups.
Is anyone else finding it is harder to network with gender critical/sex realist women without them also being Reform/Restore/Tommy Robinson supporters?

Why would you be associated with racist views because someone in a group you are in posted a meme you consider racist? Did the group adopt the meme as its logo? Did the vast majority of women in the group 'like' the meme? Are you willing to try to change minds across a whole spectrum of subjects, or are some complete no-go areas for you? Are some people completely irredeemable in your view? Have you formed decent relationships with any of these women so you can talk honestly with them?

I’m allowed to decide when the overall tone or content no longer sits comfortably with me. In this case, I saw material I considered racist and chose not to continue participating.

I would agree that (almost) everyone has a line and that you could have a sort of YouGov poll of memes and rank them according to what % of the population consider them to be 'nasty' and then decide where to put the line for the whole country.
It's not really the point though, is it? If someone posts a nasty meme they are telling you something about themselves. Maybe it's about their sense of humour, maybe their need to be in-group, maybe a deep fear that they have, maybe their lack of critical thought or maybe they are just a cruel, soulless person. You won't know which if you don't engage and you won't change their outlook if you don't engage.

Graham Linehan and JK Rowling were staunch Labour supporters. They got pushed right through the conflict of rights that the trans issue threw up.

Clearly 😟

Well that is, of course, your choice but I think it is a shame that you didn't have a good enough relationship with enough of the women to challenge it.

I did engage.

For months.

This wasn’t one meme followed by a flounce out of the door.

It was many comments. It was moderators refusing to sanction the racists.

It was being told by people like you to engage and argue my case and it got worse and worse and worse until I could stand it no more.

Apparently there’s no level of racism severe enough for you to think leaving is justified.

Noted.

How dare you?

I did try. Repeatedly. Frankly, you can fuck off with the implication that I didn’t do enough.

It depends who you follow etc.

Maybe KJK is interested in more than one issue.

Maybe the others in the group didn't think what you perceived as racist was racist, which is why you failed to convince anyone it was. Racist nowadays seems to mean 'anything I don't agree with', perhaps in reality you not the victim you think you are.

I would have happily challenged that meme. It comes from a fear of extreme Islamism that is entirely justified. Combined with a fear that British politicians are being manipulated by extreme Islamists that is a distinct possibility given how easily the gender ideologists manipulated politicians. Engage with the person and then walk them back from 'all-Muslims' to 'extremist Islamists'.

Well if you engaged like this no wonder it didn't work.😘

Yes, obviously I challenged it. That’s rather the point.

After months of this, I eventually concluded that fighting with pigs just leaves you both covered in muck, but the pigs enjoy it.

As I'm sure you are aware.

I'm not here for your entertainment.

I've found myself becoming effectively anti left. As the authoritarianism has become so very evident, I’m very wary of them despite originally being leftish.

Also the left’s refusal to prioritise our workforce.
And the left’s refusal to discuss different perspectives. The whole ‘no debate’ thing seems very embedded. I don’t agree with no debate. As long as people are discussing politely, sharing their own different perspectives, then we should debate.

I don't personally know any GC/sex realist women who are far right and/or support Tommy Robinson. Nearly every woman I know is sex realist. Many are also GC. Most are left leaning or centrist.
Its fairly obvious the far right will be sex realist, but its like all tigers are big cats, isn't it?
If you find that you're ending up hanging out with far right GC people, then give far right people a swerve.

Most people will say it regardless of political leaning. Most people are biological realists.

I hate how the trans shitshow has been used by culture warriors. It's not left wing. It was brought down on us by the Tory government. The fight against it began with GC feminism. The women fighting back, through the courts, for women's rights, are feminists.😁

Only culture warriors claim it's a right/left wing thing.🙄

Hatemonger Tommy Robinson doesn't give a shit about women so it's a bit wick that women support him @Tooting33.😒

What did Tommy Robinson do to bring the rape gangs to justice?

Before you know it you're agreeing that "all Muslim men are a threat to women" and then suddenly you're posting racist opinions.

You may be influenced by ‘the algorithm’ to make such mindless and clearly inaccurate generalisations but don’t put that in the rest of us.

In the same away that posters had to create the NAMALT acronym for the hard of thinking who repeatedly but wrongly accused us of making negative generalisations against men, the same letters work for Muslims.

You would do well to remember that. And criticising unacceptable Islamic practices is not racist.

But that’s not the case either. We come onto places like here to try and have a sensible discussion with people who have opposing views and develop our viewpoints through discussion but are then yelled at and called racist, like you have just done.

Maybe if you try actually listening and talking to people with views that differ from your own, rather then assuming we have all been brainwashed into suddenly becoming racists, you may develop your thinking a bit further.

This.
The left constantly put up straw men arguments - they just don’t cut any ice any more.

That’s as maybe but as far as I can see your first post on this thread was effectively accusing us all of being brainwashed racists where no racism has been expressed. If that’s how you argued in the group, maybe you could rethink your approach a little and get a better response?

What do you mean by ‘far right’?

Do you mean ‘wants controlled borders and is concerned about the increase of extreme Islam* and the increasing influence of Muslims (some of whom have extreme ideas) on our government while our PM smears anyone with the above concerns as ‘far right islamophobes’?

Which rather bizarrely would include his Muslim Home Secretary.

*as evidenced by the MI5 analysis of terrorist threat, the changes imposed on some local communities and by the openly stated intentions of Islamic extremists in the UK.

I hate how the trans shitshow has been used by culture warriors. It's not left wing. It was brought down on us by the Tory government.

It was a Labour government and David Lammy that rammed through introduced the Gender Recognition Act 2004. The Tories just looked to take the next step.

The ‘trans shitshow’ has very much been championed with enthusiasm by the authoritarian left but obviously politicians of all persuasions have remained vulnerable to the huge propensity of the trans activists for bullying and forcing their views on everyone.