Unite the Kingdom - LWS/WRN

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I am just wondering why Tommy Robinson is so appealing to a number of sex-realist women. Kellie Jay Keen spoke at the event. My local LWS group are fully supportive, as are the leaders of my local WRN groups.
Is anyone else finding it is harder to network with gender critical/sex realist women without them also being Reform/Restore/Tommy Robinson supporters?

No.

Is it because the so called 'left' send rape and death threats and do nothing to put a stop to the aggressive hate mob and stalkers and harassers and general lunacy that is 'the omnicause'?

When the thing you have in common is the near universally understood fact that men cannot be women, then there will be a wide variety of people and beliefs in that ‘sex realist’ group.

Sex realist women I know are a mix of left and right politically. Perhaps the largest number are politically homeless former lefties. Who feel the Left left them, rather than they changed their left beliefs.

I suspect we would all be still in the dark over the systematic rape of young British girls if it wasn't for him and Maggie Oliver.

Me neither, thankfully.

The vast majority of people I speak to IRL are not Tommy Robinson fans (or Reform voters for that matter) and don't think it's a good idea for children to be given puberty blockers/cross-sex hormones or for males to be allowed in women's sports.

I've listened to TR speak - I watched his film, which raised some interesting points. However, I still think he's a dangerous nutjob.

KJK et al can team up with him for all I care. It's not going to affect my life or what I think about her content: the majority of it is great, some of it is going too far (e.g. that time when she said she wouldn't give a job or rent a flat to a trans-identifying person because, according to her, they are lazy).

To me, it's similar to the occasions where Glinner goes too far. Hopefully he won't go for the tribal teaming-up with TR approach that KJK has done, but if he does, so be it. Just as I feel about KJK, it won't change how I feel about all the good stuff he has said and done to help raise awareness about the harms associated with gender identity belief.

Edited for clarity.

That was my experience at the start too. Most came from the left wing. I can't work out if the active ones remaining were always more right-wing or have moved that way after being called fascist/racist so frequently that the words have no meaning anymore.

The problem I see is that the groups aren't a broad mix anymore but anyone left is leaving because of the Tommy Robinson fans. Kind of how women left the mainstream parties and unions once the whole trans women are women started.

I just feel frustrated because it really helps me to have people to collaborate with when responding to issues, so I do want to be in a group.

Exactly how I feel.

I am past the stage of thinking anyone I associate with has to have the same political opinions as me about absolutely everything.

People have the right to vote for or support any party they want to, this country is a democracy and I would like it to stay that way.

The OP is part of the reason the country has become so politically polarised, a lot of centre left women have been “pushed to the right” because it’s only the right wing parties supporting GC women at the moment

OP maybe you should start by defining what 'left' and 'right' means to you because they sure do not mean what they traditionally meant.

Why would anyone 'move that way'? Are you seriously suggesting that belief in human anisogamy is some sort of gateway drug to enthusiasm for ethnic nationalism and antipathy towards the Refugee Convention? Because the topics have zero overlap.

The 'right' permits GC debate, and the 'left' does not, which is why GC rightwingers are more visible.

PS I'm using GC in the 'Forstater' sense not in the literal sense. Some rightwingers love cultural gender norms, but still don't think anyone can change sex.

People have the right to vote for or support any party they want to, this country is a democracy and I would like it to stay that way.

Me too. And that obviously does include Reform on the further end of right wing and the Greens on the further end of left wing. Both are a big no thank you from me but I'm glad that we have the freedom to debate and vote democratically.

I'm especially glad though that we have a far greater choice than just these two ends of the spectrum. And that most elected politicians are in the middle here in the UK, unlike the US which seems to only have the two extremes: put simply, the Democrats are the equivalent of the Greens and the Republicans are the equivalent of Reform.

If I was in the US, I would probably have to vote for the Democrats or, more likely, spoil my ballot. Although the majority of my political views match the Democrats position, I don't think I could ever vote for a politician or a party that supports chopping healthy body parts off children and vulnerable young adults or permanently damaging their endochrine system.... all while attempting to gaslight me into believing it's kind. I'm thankful that Trump created executive orders that demanded an end to this (and that doing so contributed to the world waking up to how harmful this scandal is), but I'm equally thankful that I don't live in a country with him as a leader.

I absolutely don't believe that i need to agree fully with everyone I work with. I am still happy to work alongside women I know who attended the Unite the Kingdom march.

However, I want to be in a group where that isn't the only opinion.

I am using left/right loosely not hard categories.

Who are these 'leaders' of your local WRN group, OP? I'm in WRN and I don't think we have leaders. Sure, Heather Binning is in some kind of leadership role nationally, and maybe a few other women with her, but the local groups? No. We have coordinators who do just that - coordinate. That's not 'leading'.

Men tend to form groups with leaders, which makes me wonder if you are a man, OP? Men seldom understand the way women do things.

I guess that LWS are very unlikely to be given a voice and an invitation from the Greens or Labour or the Lib Dems any time soon. I wouldn't say it's because Tommy Robinson is appealing but he is enabling LWS to have a platform. I haven't seen any videos of KJK's speech yet but will have a look.

I think you may be right that the lack of debate on the left wing side is why people drop away very quickly from agreeing to work with right-wingers.

Unfortunately human nature appears to be that loose collectives with one thing in common aren't sustainable so a dominant opinion wins out and anyone disagreeing gets pushed out one way or another.

😂 no not a man.
I guess the WRN leaders I am talking about are the coordinators.
I genuinely don't understand how WRN is meant to work. I am "in" my local one but there are no meetings or events coordinated. Apparently this is because the coordinator doesn't manage to get any traction but I haven't seen anything organised at all, I have no idea how many local members it has.

In your OP you said 'leaders of my local WRN groups', plural. Why do you have access to several WRN groups and their 'leaders' ? That would be very unusual.

I feel we're getting sidetracked somewhat, but to answer your question I have joined my local WRN which appears almost entirely inactive.
I am also in contact with the neighbouring WRN which is very active.

No, we are not getting sidetracked. You have made an assertion and I am questioning the grounds on which you make it.
So you have joined two WRN groups? If not, what do you mean by 'in contact with'?

I know an awful lot of women who have what are generally termed 'gc' views, and have done for years. We talk about allllllll sorts of issues, and disagree on allllll sorts of issues.

I don't recognise the issue you are talking about, OP.

There are women from all walks of life, and all political inclinations that agree that humans come in two sexes and sex can't be changed.

Here's an interview from her explaining why she spoke at the march

https://x.com/alanvibe/status/2055706475616518551?s=20

I'm not a fan of her and this interview hasn't changed my mind. It feels like a pivot of focus from women's rights to more traditional far right (in my opinion) causes such as anti-immigration. Everyone has their own feelings on this subject, but for me personally I don't want to be in a group for women's rights with women who support this. Other opinions are available but I can understand what OP is saying. I don't want to be in a group for women's rights which also promotes anti-immigrant opinions, I'd rather plod on alone.

The grounds on which I make it are my personal experience. In WhatsApp groups and having met personally at multiple events.

I am really glad that groups you are in haven't gone this way. Of course the vast majority of people know sex is real, no matter their other opinions, unfortunately most aren't prepared to say it.

It's not so much 'groups I'm in', although it applies to them too.

It's just general talking to most people. In my experience most people are quite happy to talk a bit about this, and find the whole 'gender' thing ridiculous.