Gender Critical guy - How can I help the cause?

[MyShyCat]

Hoping that the amazing women of Mumsnet can help me. I am firmly in the Gender Critical camp. I peaked many years ago after the birth of my daughter. I simply got to the point where I couldn't ignore the craziness that we were all being expected to accept. Amazing women on Youtube like Magdalen Berns, Posie Parker, Helen Joyce, Jo Bartosch, Arielle Scarcella and Kathleen Stock were able to perfectly articulate all the thoughts that were flying around my head.

Like many of us I have watched with horror as bit by bit the rights of women and girls have been systematically dismantled. There have undoubtedly been successes on our journey back to reality but Sall Grover's defeat the other day has really made me wobble.

My problem is I not sure what to do to help the cause. I feel like I should be more vocal or active - not exactly Bill Board Chris levels of "being out there" but I think I need to actually be a bit braver and make my voice heard.

If anyone has any suggestions as to how a 53 year-old father of a teenage girl can take a more active role in this fight, then I would love to hear more.

I'm not sure I can just carry on watching youtube clips and tutting anymore! All suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I WOULD RATHER BE RUDE THAN A "F**KING LIAR."

@MyShyCatwhat are the students’ toilets like in the school you teach in? Are they single sex? Genuinely single sex with no trans identifying boys in the girls’ toilets? What about changing rooms and sports? What about in your daughter’s school? You could try using all the info in KSSSIS thread on Brighton schools to challenge any mixed sex toilets etc.

Thanks Robin.

Some previously single sex female toilets have now been made into unisex which is a problem.

The big problem in schools at the moment is lack of time to actually go to the toilet. Teachers are cracking down on students leaving to use the loo during class time. Problem is that there were never enough female toilets in the first place and often girls give up trying to go during break/lunch as the queues are massive. It's not unknown for girls to not be able to go until late afternoon even during periods.

I'm sure this question has been asked many times before across many platforms on the internet but i tend not to engage with transphobic content.

I ask sincerely to those of you who want female spaces to remian for females only (i also wish for female spaces to be for females only including trans women) who or what do you want to protect females from?

Trans women because you are of the belief they are all predators?

Or

Cis gender males who could exploit the situation by posing as trans (far more likely threat IMO)

And

Where do you personally draw the line? Does it depend on whether they've had gender affirming surgery and no longer have a penis or how female presenting they are? Are there other caveats?

I am genuinely curious.

I want to keep all men out of female single sex spaces. Doesnt matter how they identify

Female toilet provision such as the introduction of toilet passes may be more of an effective help than stickers at the moment.

In the meantime keep pressure on management and the union to update policies with regards to those who identify as trans.

Well said! Why do some people find it soooooo hard to understand? LOL

Sorry if this has been said but if you use your vote for a party not trying to reduce or delete women’s rights, like Reform and the Greens, that would be a great help.
Trump only got in because so many didn’t vote across the pond and look how women are treated there. It seems to be just a matter of time before this is coming to the UK.

The Greens, you have got to be joking. Walter Titty wants to allow men into women's spaces. As long as they've got a frock on. No, still men.

Reform are also intolerable, but in a different way.

There actually isn't a party right now who is protecting women's rights, it's made voting extremely challenging.

Maybe I've misunderstood you though but my second point still stands, voting is not east right now

@MyShyCat sorry is your reaction indicating you support misogyny? It's quite telling that you refuse to listen to women and you actually keep doing things someone else has already told you is creepy. I think perhaps take a look at yourself before seeing who else you can save us from.

This is a space for women, not for men to be creepy or harassing which notably you aren't doing accidentally as you've done it multiple times when asked not to. It's a shame you don't seem to care about that, but I'm sure MN will. I hope you aren't this creepy and ignoring of boundaries to your students.

I've reported you, but I'm gonna keep commenting here to highlight that you'restill doing it again and again ven though I and another woman have told you it's weird and making peopl uncomfortable. What exactly did you learn apparently from having a daughter cos it seems to have gone out of the window. Gross 🤢

@MyShyCat seriously, what is wrong with you? You're more than capable of using your words. I am horrified that someone who claims to work with children has no respect for women or making them uncomfortable. I've reported you to MN for trolling. I hope your employer doesn't mind you being weird to women on the internet either.

Hi Murasaki,

I definitely agree. Really hard to vote at the moment. They last time I was impressed by a politician was Victoria Atkins's Cass Review speech all the way back in 2024.

Currently I have no idea who to vote for.

Thanks SquelchyFelch.

The difficulty is finding a men-only gender critical group in which to talk about the topic. Still doing some homework but struggling to connect with like-minded guys. Still a bit suprised that no-one has popped up going "i'm a bloke too." Surely there are other guys who feel the same way?

I'm sorry no other men have 'popped up'. I agree it would be helpful to you if they did. Men do post on this board and some are most welcome. Others . . . not so much. You? You seem to mean well. I suppose, But for how long are you going to ignore what Taztoy has said to you? Fingers in ears and la la la I can't hear you? It's hard to give you credence.

Thanks ItWasAlwaysMaybelline.

Not sure that I am seeking anyones approval or want anyone to bestow credibility on me.

You are hoping we will interact with you - why else are you here?

Well perhaps on a largely female feminist forum where you are (nominally, at least) seeking advice you should be. Gratuitous advice from a fellow male.

I completely disagree. The thing about forums is that you can choose who you want to chat to. No-one is expected to talk to everyone. You can pick and choose who you listen to or interact with. If you don't like something that someone says, you can just move on to the next thread. Plenty of other stuff to read and plenty of other people to interact with.

However, the problem with forums is that there is always one or two people who think they run the place. It's the same with any workplace, committee or social club - there is always someone who everyone looks towards for approval or credibility.

I don't think I want to play that game.

Most forums remind me of the Cantina scene from Star Wars. There's always someone tapping the new guy on the shoulder saying "I don't like you..." and then when they are ignored.... "My friend doesn't like you either!"

I don't need or want anyones acceptance or approval nor do I need a nood towards my "credibility."

I'm definitely not playing this game.

However, I think I quite like it here! I think I will stick around.

Actually I think the dynamics of this forum are nothing like you describe. There is a lot of considerateness and tolerance. And you need to distinguish vulnerability from exclusivity. Which really should be easy.

Yes and it’s also a board where posters should anticipate being challenged on their views and opinions. It’s not a hive mind board where everyone claps each other on the back and says how wonderful the other posters are.

There are many regular and well respected posters who frequently make thoughtful contributions, it’s not quite the popular girl clique you think it is OP.

But if you stick around you’ll see that soon enough.

Hi PinkFrogss.

I hope I do. I hope I do!

“Women, I am man and I don’t give a fuck how I make you feel”.

So you do understand choice and boundaries and yet when women say the creepy inappropriate reactions you are putting to their posts are wording them out you just double down and keep doing it even when women have told you their choice that they don't want you to. Interesting support of women there. And another man not disclosing his sex in a forum designed mostly for women so you can lurk in our threads without women knowing they're speaking to a male....