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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Inside the mind of a non-binary woman

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RogueFemale · 12/05/2026 20:59

This article popped up on Apple news this morning. A first person account of a woman's experience of feeling she is 'trans' / 'nonbinary'.

It starts off with her saying: "When my date used my correct pronouns, I felt a sudden surge of happiness. ... It was then that I realised how little my identity had been affirmed in my previous relationships with cis men, and how this simple act, which should be the bare minimum, felt monumental."

It was a startling insight into how these people depend so much on someone else's validation and others saying the right words (in this woman's case, "they/them") to support their fragile sense of self. (It's also unclear how pronouns would come up during a one-to-one date).

Anyway, just sharing because it's an honest and revealing account of this woman's mental state.

She's with a trans-identifying-woman now, and seems happy. Well, sort of. "Now, every intimate movement encompasses our transness, whether it’s a ‘no-chest’ day, or a day I feel most comfortable being intimate with a binder on."

It seems like a very roundabout way of being two lesbians.

metro.co.uk/2026/05/12/sex-a-fellow-trans-person-put-off-cis-men-life-3-28322552/

OP posts:
DeanElderberry · 14/05/2026 18:57

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 18:48

I'd never heard of this man before arriving on Mumsnet. But this is yet another example of sex realists creating and then attacking a false motivation for a group of people. In this example of sharing an abhorrent ideology in users typing a prefix/word.

I'd heard the term 'cis' in the gender context was coined by a trans man in Europe. Others say it was a trans woman in the early '90s with a background in chemistry.

I don't use cis. It didn't exist when I was going through this, but I understand how it works and don't have an issue with people who do use it. Obviously they are not followers of the church of Volkmar Sigusch.

I didn't create him. I didn't create his publications, he did that himself. I pointed out that he was the originator of the term. I pointed out that he was a proponent of sexual acts between adults and children. I think his motivation is pretty clear. If the gender stooges want to use his work, they should know what they are doing. Though sloppy thinking and lack of intellectual rigour are a necessary component of gender belief.

But

I DID NOT CREATE HIM.

Namingbaba · 14/05/2026 19:02

@Fizbosshoes You’re right that most of the time you don’t use pronouns for a person in front of you. I was just responding to the start of the original article posted where the woman said she smiled and felt a buzz at witnessing her date use her pronouns. Maybe it was when the waiter came with the drinks and the date said to him “They have the beer” or something like that.

I think in groups with people who believe all this they will pull you up if you use the correct pronoun of someone not in the room.

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 19:03

DeanElderberry · 14/05/2026 18:57

I didn't create him. I didn't create his publications, he did that himself. I pointed out that he was the originator of the term. I pointed out that he was a proponent of sexual acts between adults and children. I think his motivation is pretty clear. If the gender stooges want to use his work, they should know what they are doing. Though sloppy thinking and lack of intellectual rigour are a necessary component of gender belief.

But

I DID NOT CREATE HIM.

You are tying users of a prefix, said to be coined by this man, while also independently coined by several others, to the ideologies of this man.

You are manufacturing a motivation that does not exist.

Imdunfer · 14/05/2026 19:07

TransParentlyAnnoyed · 13/05/2026 15:04

🤦I was explaining that he was assigned female at birth.

Right before describing how I raised him within my own gnc frame of reference, determined he wouldn't be subject to gender stereotypes. He had exactly the same upbringing as his brothers, and (I used to joke) forced a world of pink glitter on me.

I wanted him to have what I'd been denied - train sets, adventure, being allowed to get muddy and challenge stereotypes. When he turned out to live make-up and tutus, I had to challenge my own thinking about pink, and accept it's just what some girls want. That pink isn't always a tyranny and I should let him be as he wanted.

I accepted that I had quite rigid thinking about gender stereotyping and should've been nicer to friends who liked trad girly things. Learning experience all round.

This is literally my life experience, and his. We are both gnc. Being a trans boy isn't about anything other than knowing you're a trans boy.

I have read and reread this post. I don't mean to upset you by writing this, but I think you have explained exactly how a lot of "trans children" are created by their parents, often with the help of online peer groups.

The more times I read it, the more I hear it saying "I had a little girl who loved pink and sparkles. Because of how I live my own life, I was determined to bring her up gender neutral. Every time she wanted pink and sparkles I transmitted very subtle signals of disapproval to her, without knowing that I was doing that. When she began to copy her brothers, I transmitted signals of approval. I didn't realise that what I thought of as my acceptance was communicating approval. She didn't realise that she had learned that the way to be most loved and most accepted by mummy was to be more like a boy. But when she got strong approval signals when she said she was a boy, that set her future path."

Fizbosshoes · 14/05/2026 19:11

Namingbaba · 14/05/2026 19:02

@Fizbosshoes You’re right that most of the time you don’t use pronouns for a person in front of you. I was just responding to the start of the original article posted where the woman said she smiled and felt a buzz at witnessing her date use her pronouns. Maybe it was when the waiter came with the drinks and the date said to him “They have the beer” or something like that.

I think in groups with people who believe all this they will pull you up if you use the correct pronoun of someone not in the room.

I thought the same about being out with a group and saying "they would like a coffee" for example....but then wondered how this plays out - is it sexist, or offensive (or both) to speak on behalf of the other person....so thus presents more opportunities to be offended!

Or what if the date felt it might be offensive to speak on behalf of the NB person...so didnt...but then NB is upset because there was no opportunity to "test" were the other person correctly pro-nouned them....

Bertiebiscuit · 14/05/2026 19:12

"trans children" are similar to vegan cats - don't exist, a nonsense inflicted by cruel abusive adults on vulnerable others which does nothing but harm

Shortshriftandlethal · 14/05/2026 19:45

Imdunfer · 14/05/2026 19:07

I have read and reread this post. I don't mean to upset you by writing this, but I think you have explained exactly how a lot of "trans children" are created by their parents, often with the help of online peer groups.

The more times I read it, the more I hear it saying "I had a little girl who loved pink and sparkles. Because of how I live my own life, I was determined to bring her up gender neutral. Every time she wanted pink and sparkles I transmitted very subtle signals of disapproval to her, without knowing that I was doing that. When she began to copy her brothers, I transmitted signals of approval. I didn't realise that what I thought of as my acceptance was communicating approval. She didn't realise that she had learned that the way to be most loved and most accepted by mummy was to be more like a boy. But when she got strong approval signals when she said she was a boy, that set her future path."

Well observed and articulated. I totally agree. The child has been created in the shadows of her parental expectation.

DustyWindowsills · 14/05/2026 19:50

Imdunfer · 14/05/2026 19:07

I have read and reread this post. I don't mean to upset you by writing this, but I think you have explained exactly how a lot of "trans children" are created by their parents, often with the help of online peer groups.

The more times I read it, the more I hear it saying "I had a little girl who loved pink and sparkles. Because of how I live my own life, I was determined to bring her up gender neutral. Every time she wanted pink and sparkles I transmitted very subtle signals of disapproval to her, without knowing that I was doing that. When she began to copy her brothers, I transmitted signals of approval. I didn't realise that what I thought of as my acceptance was communicating approval. She didn't realise that she had learned that the way to be most loved and most accepted by mummy was to be more like a boy. But when she got strong approval signals when she said she was a boy, that set her future path."

Yep, this is also my reading of TransParent's posts. There is zero self-awareness.

DeanElderberry · 14/05/2026 19:54

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 19:03

You are tying users of a prefix, said to be coined by this man, while also independently coined by several others, to the ideologies of this man.

You are manufacturing a motivation that does not exist.

There's a public written record of his originating it. If you have evidence of your alleged trans people, independently using it, produce that.

And note, he was not trans. He was more allied to PIE (which didn't die). The techniques of detaching vulnerable young people from their families and from mainstream society which are showing up around the gender narrative now were central to PIE's activities in the early 1970s.

Augarden · 14/05/2026 20:05

"I always knew I wasn’t cisgender. As a child, I enjoyed both boys’ and girls’ toys, clothes and activities. I would wrestle with my dad before going to dance class with my mum. I wore Disney princess dresses with Timberland hiking boots underneath. "

So incredibly special and unique, not like us boring women who universally LOVE all things pink and glittery and perfectly fit the feminine stereotypes of our particular time and place.

DeanElderberry · 14/05/2026 20:05

The relevance of the legacy of PIE is that, far from my trying to create a fake link between the roots of the language of gender ideology and those who invented it, and promote it, I'm pointing out that link to very naive people who adopt fashions without thinking.

Gender ideology harms young people, particularly young women. People who switch their brains off are a danger to themselves and others.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 14/05/2026 22:05

@polypostwonder I'm guessing your name is a reference to @onepostwonder ... did he get banned, or did his onepost identity get so far from observed reality it was just comical?

(For avoidance of doubt, I am in no way trollhunting or trying to out name changing, in fact the absolute opposite. I am assuming that such an obvious reference implies the poster actively wants the connection to be made so that some meaning behind the reference can be understood. I'm just a bit dim so I'm not sure what it is and need to ask).

GreyskySexRealistsky · 14/05/2026 22:10

Same person

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 22:15

DeanElderberry · 14/05/2026 19:54

There's a public written record of his originating it. If you have evidence of your alleged trans people, independently using it, produce that.

And note, he was not trans. He was more allied to PIE (which didn't die). The techniques of detaching vulnerable young people from their families and from mainstream society which are showing up around the gender narrative now were central to PIE's activities in the early 1970s.

So what? You are tying strings between people and ideologies to represent relationships that do not exist.

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 22:17

FlirtsWithRhinos · 14/05/2026 22:05

@polypostwonder I'm guessing your name is a reference to @onepostwonder ... did he get banned, or did his onepost identity get so far from observed reality it was just comical?

(For avoidance of doubt, I am in no way trollhunting or trying to out name changing, in fact the absolute opposite. I am assuming that such an obvious reference implies the poster actively wants the connection to be made so that some meaning behind the reference can be understood. I'm just a bit dim so I'm not sure what it is and need to ask).

I am onepostwonder. It was time for a name change.

FlirtsWithRhinos · 14/05/2026 22:27

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 22:17

I am onepostwonder. It was time for a name change.

Got it - thank you.

And glad to hear it - the onepost name had become a bit silly given your prolific contributions 😂 FWR big yay for accurate nomenclature.

(Genuinely not sarcam BTW. The misnaming was becoming more and more funny but the engagement is appreciated.)

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 22:51

FlirtsWithRhinos · 14/05/2026 22:27

Got it - thank you.

And glad to hear it - the onepost name had become a bit silly given your prolific contributions 😂 FWR big yay for accurate nomenclature.

(Genuinely not sarcam BTW. The misnaming was becoming more and more funny but the engagement is appreciated.)

Edited

I changed it yesterday morning, but didn't participate in a new thread until today.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527840-town-vs-country-and-believing-in-gi?page=5&reply=152282143

Wearenotborg · 14/05/2026 23:09

Does anyone else find it a bit pathetic that the best use of his time a bloke can think of is to come on a feminist board and try to lecture women about womanhood. It just comes cross as a bit .,well, sad really.

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 23:11

Wearenotborg · 14/05/2026 23:09

Does anyone else find it a bit pathetic that the best use of his time a bloke can think of is to come on a feminist board and try to lecture women about womanhood. It just comes cross as a bit .,well, sad really.

sad times.

Wearenotborg · 14/05/2026 23:15

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 23:11

sad times.

I know. How dull and lonely must his life be? If he was in the U.K ,I’d suggest Andy’s Man Club. Or maybe joining a debating club to hone his skills when trying to put points across.

DeanElderberry · 15/05/2026 07:34

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 22:15

So what? You are tying strings between people and ideologies to represent relationships that do not exist.

Edited

I am not tying strings. I am pointing out to people who use an abusive, recently invented word, where that word comes from and why it is so offensive.

trikonasanallama · 15/05/2026 08:56

polypostwonder · 14/05/2026 18:54

And can speculate on motivations.

Obviously, something sex realists excel at.

What are "sex realists"? Are they like "round earthers", in that they believe something that is unambigously true?
"Sky bluers"? "Pope wood shitters?"

DeanElderberry · 15/05/2026 09:07

gravity realists

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 09:14

trikonasanallama · 15/05/2026 08:56

What are "sex realists"? Are they like "round earthers", in that they believe something that is unambigously true?
"Sky bluers"? "Pope wood shitters?"

The poster frequently uses it like a slur, a smear. Doesn't seem to grasp that it's actually a compliment. It's the most unsuccessful insult ever!

Wearenotborg · 15/05/2026 09:38

GreyskySexRealistsky · 15/05/2026 09:14

The poster frequently uses it like a slur, a smear. Doesn't seem to grasp that it's actually a compliment. It's the most unsuccessful insult ever!

To be fair I: not sure the lift goes to the penthouse with that one.