YouGov Poll shows what parliament would look like if only women could vote

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Picturisation of the voting intentions of women aged 18-50 shows a parliament overwhelmingly stuffed with parties which are openly pro-trans.

When will the gender critical movement let go of the disingenuous narrative that they speak for or represent women when they clearly don’t?

Are you actually trying to pull a reverse "what is a woman" argument against me? If you don't know what trans people are then why are you even here in this thread? Don't you have a jigsaw puzzle you can be working on Tabatha?

I'm not sure who the " We" you refer to is. Most women instinctively recognise a man when they seee one. This instinctive recognition has been honed by millennia of shared experience. I can guarantee that none of the women sat in my hair salon on Monday had the sligtest concern with 'trans rights', let alone be accepting of sharing intimate spaces with strange men.

What you are calling 'trans people' are males and females who like to imagine themselves as the opposite sex, often going as far as presenting themselves in stereotypically opposite sex ways.

We are all male or female, regardless of any 'identity' we may assume. I come across and see people who are obviously 'trans identifying' very frequently...and I can always recognise that because their sex is obvious, and the practiced postures are too.

I think you are out of your mind if you think that your little coterie of privileged woke elitism represents what ‘most people’ think. The silent majority are GC. In fact everyone, even trans people themselves, know that humans cannot change sex.

But the issue isn’t really about gender dysphoria, it’s about men, who commit most of the violent and sexual crime, being given a legal and social loophole to access single sex spaces for the purposes of nefarious activity and crimes against girls and women. There is plenty of evidence and court cases that this has already happened. You think that’s a good thing?

Male and female are outdated exclusionary terms now. We have various recognised identities including non binary and agender among many others. To deny people their existence is cruel and hurtful so please do better and look to educate yourself on the matter.

How many Genders are there?

Most women do not want mixed sex facilities, services and sports. Of course you often get women saying they don't mind sharing with their lovely transwoman friend who they have known for years, but when faced with a male person who they don't know and who is obviously there to do more than pee, change or play fair sports, they all backtrack with a very small number of exceptions.

Male and female are outdated exclusionary terms now

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Is this a piss take?

Ha ha so if/when my kids want to become parents how should they go about it? Because exclusionary or not in humans its take one male and one female to make a baby

Oh ok. We are in La La land now.

I’d still like to know what you meant in your comment about working class communities… or are you just here to be a wind up merchant?

We've had smarter and more entertaining wind up merchants than you, Bella

InstantlyBella

You and the men you know might be okay with putting rapists in prison with incarcerated women. But I think everyone can see exactly who it is that makes things 'better' for.

I didn't say that I didn't know what these terms meant, I was asking you what you think they mean, because if you are using the same definitions as me, then your comment doesn't make sense. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

For clarity, these are my definitions.

Someone who is gender critical rejects gender stereotyping and doesn't believe that men can become women (or vice versa).

Trans people are people who think that they are the opposite sex or say they are.

I can add more detail if that's still not clear.

Now over to you. Do you agree with my definitions? If not, what are yours?

I didn't say that I didn't know what these terms meant, I was asking you what you think they mean, because if you are using the same definitions as me, then your comment doesn't make sense. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear.

For clarity, these are my definitions.

Someone who is gender critical rejects gender stereotyping and doesn't believe that men can become women (or vice versa).

Trans people are people who think that they are the opposite sex or say they are.

I can add more detail if that's still not clear.

Now over to you. Do you agree with my definitions? If not, what are yours?

Bonkers.

Try educating yourself by reading a few threads here Bella. It won't take long, and then you'll actually understand the issues as opposed to downloading a lot of out dated slogans while wagging a flag.

I won't be going into detail about that because, for some ungodly reason, people don't want to discuss the failings of working class communities on public forums such as this. That is despite the topic being incredibly popular amongst dinnertable discourse in the circles of my contemporaries but oh well, a sacred cow is a sacred cow and I will abide by the consensus of mumsnet. Allegory will suffice.

You've got to laugh at someone claiming men and female are outdated terms, on a thread about how females vote.

The Infograph, according to this poster, could be entirely about men.

Condescending word salad not really helpful in winning hearts and minds.

What, if you're a passionate supporter of the working class communities, did you make of the open letter from the Deptford Women's Project?

Read back your first sentence.

Most people do not recognise males as females - outside of your small, exclusionary circle of acquaintances. We all exist. There is no doubt about that. But 'gender identities' are totally social in nature - and without social recocgnition they do not exist.

Male and female are biological terms. Biology has not gone out of fashion, and so long as we live on the earth ( or even in outer space in a capsule) it will always remain

I've never been pro-trans and Green, Labour and the Lib Dems are the only parties I've ever voted for. Unfortunately sensible people can't afford to be single-issue voters. I'd rather have any of these parties in power, pro-trans or not, than vote for the Tories or Reform to continue tearing the country apart. Right-wing parties tend to care very little about ordinary women.

I am soooo glad you wrote this. I've been thinkimg for few days how to put this.
Mixed immigrant household and you are 100 % on target with the experiences.
And not only behave in predictable ways but think certain ways. God forbid your opinions are bit different

Dinnertable discourse in my circles.🤣

Do you mean when your mum calls you to tell you your tea is ready?

All sitting round the urban middle class dinner table discussing how frightfully dreadful the working class is

Definitely a wind up

What do you mean by "the failure of working class communities?"

How rude 😤

And the left wing do?

Greens and LibDems openly want to remove single sex provision from women, and all boundaries from men who wish to use non consenting women in their own agendas, many of which are sexual. This excludes and harms women (list of victims easily found from the cases that have reached court.)

Labour would love to do this too but haven't got the guts and couldn't in this incarnation successfully organise a bunfight in a bakery.

Why are they better for women? Not burble, this lot entirely confuse 'saying it' with 'really happened'. Actions. What have they ACTUALLY done? Supreme Court judgement? Grooming gangs? How are they so much better than anyone else other than the word 'left'? Which in all honesty now is more a virtue signalling identity than anything real that's attached to ethics, values, and actual doing things as opposed to burbling and signalling/communicating exclusively with other burblers?