Hamas sexual violence on 7th October attack. Content warning.

[ArabellaScott]

A new investigation has shared more information on details of Hamas' atrocities.

I do urge caution when reading, and don't if you are feeling fragile.

'An independent, Israeli investigation has published harrowing details of "systematic, widespread" sexual violence by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups during the attacks on 7 October 2023, and against hostages.
The 300-page report concludes that rapes, sexual assault and sexual torture were intended "to maximize pain and suffering".
While the UN and others have published reports on sexual violence during the attacks – in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage – this is the most comprehensive.
It draws on 430 filmed interviews with survivors and witnesses, more than 10,000 photographs and videos filmed by attackers, and official records and material from attack sites.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz9k7pzggo

This.

Which certain people simply cannot bring themselves to condemn without
both-sidesing it.

Exactly, which is why you should condemn the IDF.

Right on cue!! 😄

Okay, I will not engage in further derails.

Thanks for your comments, Dressfinder. Let's move on.

I tell you what, condemn the IDF and I'll go away.

This is not a game.

Do you have any conception of how you come across @Dressfinder?

The lack of respect is astonishing

"Say it!! SAY ITT!!!"

Probably created by shrewd Joos to incriminate the plucky freedom fighters, donchaknow…

The double standards here are disgusting but not surprising.

Women maliciously and purposefully brutalised, raped and murdered? Paraded through the streets where civilians laugh, cheer?
"Oh well that's what happens in wars, Netenyahu's fault."

Women and children systematically abused, repressed by law, forced into marriage, subjugated? Tens of thousands murdered, in Afghanistan, Nigeria, Iran.
"It's just a different culture. We have no right to interfere."

Israel targets attacks to disable the terrorist leadership of nations who have promised they will never stop hurting their people until all jews are dead? "GENOCIDE!"

I'm not astonished at all. There is literally no behaviour that cannot be shrugged off with "but Israel started it".

I saw this report yesterday, haven't read it all yet. Nearly posted a link but couldn't take the predictable responses from soulless Hamas apologists.
Thanks to Arabella for taking the hit. This report should not and will not be covered up.

Yeah I'm pretty sure I do.
But I don't really mind how I'm perceived here, to be honest.
I'm just trying to ensure that anyone who comes across this thread and is ignorant to what's happening in Palestine will get a wider picture and not just dive into "OMG WHAT ANIMALS ON THAT ONE SIDE".
Because not everyone is invested.
Some people make opinions based on a snap shot.
And encouraging people to look at the big picture means that they won't blindly support (or hate) an entire group of people off the back of one thread or report but might be peaked to investigate a little bit.
So perception of me as a person is less important than ensuring others might become more fully informed on important issues.

I have no problem hating an entire group of people if that group is Hamas. As is who this thread is actually about.

Read the report for my reasons why.

But hang on, perhaps you're right. Perhaps Hamas were justified in using tin cans to penetrate women before they shot them in the head. Let's not be too hasty with our judgement here.

Right. People are people but people's behaviour is shaped by the cultural values and norms and organisational boundaries they live in. You have dismissed all this, so that you can pretend Hamas and the British army 'are just the same really, as well are all people, aren't we?' Its naive, its ignorant, it ignores reality, its ignores evidence.

Its unclear what you mean by ' Israel should give them their land back' but it sounds like you want Israel to be destroyed. Hamas et al want all of Israel to be theirs, in other words, they want the destruction of Israel. What do you think Hamas, and Hezbollah will do to the Israelis if that happens? I'll give you a clue - you can answer that by looking at what happened on October 7th ( you keep calling it Oct 8th - you can't even be bothered to name the correct day of Jewish trauma).
If you don't mean that - Palestinians already control Gaza and the West bank.

So do you think the named witnesses and survivors are lying?

There is no one reading this thread that isn’t aware that the conflict has two sides. This is a thread about a terrorist act by a terrorist group which involved brutal sexual violence and was as pp said cheered on by its supporters including in the UK. It isn’t an opportunity for your sixth form whataboutery.

I’ll condemn the IDF just as I do HAMAS. I will condemn every single fucking male that has harmed a woman sexually ever. In the name of gods, punishment, anything you like. Every single man that has raped another man, woman or child I will condemn. I condemn sexual violence in all its forms. But we have to say sometimes it’s not about oneupmanship here, we have to sometimes just say I see you Jewish sisters, I love you and we’re rooting for you to make it out unharmed. Then other times it’s ok to say it just to our Muslim sisters. Our sisters in Nigeria or Johannesburg. Our sisters in India, Iran or the depths of Blackpool. We can’t keep fighting amongst ourselves. Women are lit. Would you ever leave your worst enemy if she was a woman alone with a group of rapists? No you wouldn’t. Not many of us would. I truly believe that women need to actually be more fucking angry. Even if you stand with Palestine or Isreal, cool, whatever, stand with women and children first. I’ve seen people point out the holocaust wasn’t as bad as slavery recently. That’s not what anyone should be saying or thinking. We need to change the narrative here. We need to think that any atrocity committed towards humans by other humans should be a way to learn and make sure it never happens again. We need to condemn fucking everything that hurts us. I’ll not get into what’s worse, because it’s a cycle. Women, little girls, little children, boys, even other men are at risk more than we ever realise than at the hands on men. Their colour/uniform/social status doesn’t ever prevent that. It’s not a win for Palestine to ignore Hamas, it’s not a win for Isreal to ignore the IDF. It’s a win for women if we condemn any violence against us regardless of the perpetrators.

My great great grandfather by all accounts had a gun he bought in WW2 to shoot his own daughters (Jewish family) and wife so that they’d not know worse than death. Condemn them fucking all.

How noble of you, to come onto a thread commiserating with the victims of a disgusting attack, to tell us all about victims of different attacks, in case we’re all so ignorant we don’t know. What makes you think we don’t know? What makes you think we are so limited we are incapable of compassion for the victims of the sexual violence on Oct 7 and (for example) the children shot by IDF snipers? You’ve assumed it, but why?

God this is vile, a little game to you to bait people into agreeing with you. Ugh.

Wow, that took long. A mere three posts in as well 🙄

I didn't say you were ignorant to it.
I said some people who come across this might be.
I've met plenty of people in real life who have "no idea what's happening over there".

Then take your quest to them.