Hamas sexual violence on 7th October attack. Content warning.

[ArabellaScott]

A new investigation has shared more information on details of Hamas' atrocities.

I do urge caution when reading, and don't if you are feeling fragile.

'An independent, Israeli investigation has published harrowing details of "systematic, widespread" sexual violence by Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups during the attacks on 7 October 2023, and against hostages.
The 300-page report concludes that rapes, sexual assault and sexual torture were intended "to maximize pain and suffering".
While the UN and others have published reports on sexual violence during the attacks – in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 taken hostage – this is the most comprehensive.
It draws on 430 filmed interviews with survivors and witnesses, more than 10,000 photographs and videos filmed by attackers, and official records and material from attack sites.'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz9k7pzggo

Good old impartial Wikipedia, eh?

Where would we be without it...

They’re not animals though are they? They are adult men, who have skilled themselves with weapons and logistics and planning and language and tactics and strategy. They were not hunting for food or lashing out through fear. They are not animals, who are innocent, they are far more dangerous.

You think the named witnesses and survivors are lying?

Sadly it seems to be a mainstream and acceptable view in many quarters.

Even on here many people claim anti Zionism is fine but pretend to be aghast at the idea of antisemitism.

My understanding is anti Zionists believe the state of Israel should be dismantled yet many are proudly anti Zionist.

I used to think many did not really understand what they were supporting but sadly we live in a world where people will try and justify Oct 7th as Israelis deserve what they get.

So basically you've come on a thread about a horrific attack on Israeli women to say, I paraphrase obviously but do let me know if I've got the general gist... Israeli women can't be trusted and it wasn't really all that bad... did I get that right?

I think that the Israeli government and officials have been shoen to be unreliable when it comes to freedom of information and the truth.

A ‘pinch of salt’.

Unbelievable and so depressing.

What I find concerning is that statements like that seem to fly under the radar of people who would usually be all about anti-racism and such.

Most of my friends and acquaintances are left-leaning. After the recent local election results many of them dutifully expressed how appalled they were about Reform (fair enough, not a fan myself), posting lengthy posts on FB.

I’ve never once seen any of them even mention the rising antisemitism.

It's #metoounlessyou'reajew. Sorry if that's crass, but I honestly think that's the attitude.
I see so many tropes these days about Jewish people, it's everywhere. The ultimate irony is that many Jewish people are contemplating leaving the UK. And going to Israel.

Anti Zionism is the belief that the state of Israel should be dismantled. Not the people of Israel.
The state of Israel has done irreparable damage to Gaza and the West Bank through occupation and illegal settlements.

To this day Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank, forcing people from their homes and land, and bringing in others from overseas to take it as their own.

There are Jewish and Christian Palestinians. They should be allowed to live freely in their country and homes. The state of Israel is making that impossible.

Start. Your. Own. Thread.

This one is about the treatment of Jewish people.

Not all of the victims of October 7th were Jewish.

OK, let me try again.

This one is about the treatment meted out on Oct 7 by Hamas.

Not the IDF. Hamas. HAMAS.

And they would do if certain groups didn't fire explosive devices into Israel on a regular basis.

@Dressfinder You have had your say.

Why don't you leave this thread now and let people dicuss the topic in the title?

You think the Israeli government and officials coerced rape survivors into giving false statements?

If you're going to open these kinds of conversations on a public platform you're going to have to accept that opinions you're not going to want and information that you're not going to like will be shared.
You're welcome to stop engaging with me but I'm going to use my rights as a member of this site to continue my activity on this thread where I feel I have something to add to it. Thank you.

Be interested to hear how the film footage, made by Hamas themselves, is explained.

Well that's not true, is it.
I'm not even talking about the displacement of people in Gaza due to Israeli attacks. I'm talking about the occupation of the West Bank. It's a land grab. It's nothing to do with rockets.

Any other states around the world you’d like to see dismantled?

Nothing can justify systematic and co ordinated sexual violence. Which is the subject of the thread.

I didn't dismiss the fact that it happened.
I said I take anything from Israel officials with a pinch of salt, given that they have outright lied, inflated numbers, deflated numbers and generally been untrustworthy as a source of information from the start.
The independent reports, that were released previously, confirmed that there was sexual abuse.
My original post was only to state that these actions don't exist in a vacuum. The IDF have been responsible for the same.
And if we're going to call one side out it's important to know that it's mirrored on the other.

I agree. Dressfinder, do start a new thread on the subject. I would contribute. It is a disservice to all involved to keep trying to derail. Palestinian people have suffered. Israelis have suffered.

This thread is for the report, just released. Happy to discuss the other politics in another thread. But respect for the victims on just this one thread would be appreciated.

Thank you.