Giggle v Tickle Friday 15th May 2pm AEST

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Giggle v Tickle
Friday 15th May
2pm AEST
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Australia is a complete embarrassment.

Devastating news. So lesbians aren’t allowed to have anything without men being able to access? We truly are revolutionary to attempt it.

It feels very odd that Australia could have a law and interpretations which is completely polar opposite to the UK. Must be pretty unprecedented that judges would interpret laws with no common ground whatsoever.

Not just lesbians. No woman can have any privacy, dignity or a discussion without a man present.

Oh man…what news to wake up to.

I had a bad feeling about this. Sall has always said that Australia is the most captured country in the world.

And for a nation as straight talking, and down to earth as Australia, it makes the result even more difficult to understand.

Why does she have to pay his costs when he’s being represented pro bono?? 😫

Must be pretty unprecedented that judges would interpret laws with no common ground whatsoever.

The laws are different - Australia's politicians have actually legislated away the existence of women. Actually, worse than that, they've said that if you ever attempt to do anything for women, you have to admit men.

So the "women" category exists legally, but the law has no provision for actual women.

As I understand it, the point of aim of these cases is to demonstrate the state of the law, all the way up to showing that Australia is in breach of a bunch of international human rights conventions - ones that require them to have provision for actual women - thus forcing them to change them.

It's basically "reductio ad abusurdam" up the legal system - forcing higher and higher courts to actually look at higher and higher level implications of the law.

I was expecting this but still feels like a shock. Even appealing to the high court seems futile if the law means women don’t exist in Australia separate from men.

@NecessarySceneBe interesting to see what happens . I assume someone will help her pay costs to appeal? Australia are a complete laughing stock this morning. I can’t believe the judge delivered the verdict with a straight face, knowing full well that decisions in the UK are going completely the opposite way and their ruling was non sensical.

is she allowed to crowdfund? I would like to contribute.

No. Sall is defending herself against him talking her to court, not bringing this case herself to demonstrate anything.

I’d not blame Sal for thinking “fuck this shit” and taking her app and her daughter abroad.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is that this had to go to the highest court as the lower courts can only rule on the law as it is, but their highest court can say that there is an issue with the way the law has been written. I think the expectation was that this would have to go all the way.

I don’t know enough about Australian legislation but this is pointing to the law over there not having separate protected characteristics for natal sex and gender identity. If this is the case, it is unlikely any claim based on natal females being treated as a discrete group will win.

Australia will find themselves increasingly isolated on this stance. The rest of the world is moving in the opposite direction and this isn’t requiring a change in their laws.

For countries that need to create new legislation to enable females to have single sex provision, I think it might take a long time before a party willing to do this gets elected - not because they wouldn’t be willing, but because few think it’s a priority.

I really feel for women in those countries.

I think I am remembering correctly that this was something Sal has discussed in the past, that she had to go all the way through with this case.

These fucking men. I typed out a long post but it all just came down to that.

I think I am remembering correctly that this was something Sal has discussed in the past, that she had to go all the way through with this case.

Yes. He's the one who initiated the case, but it's effectively strategic litigation for our side, kind of like GLP cases over here.

My recollection is that Sal said she expected it to reach the High Court, at which point they have to start ruling on international law.

Yes, I also think that countries like Australia and Canada are increasingly going to look like outliers. What is progressive about saying that women can't have protection in law based on their sex?

The overton window is shifting, and hopefully by the time this reaches court again the media will actually start reporting on it (Sall says currently they largely ignore it) and there can be a proper debate and scrutiny. Look how much things have changed here in just a couple of years.

So disappointing, but ready to donate to any fundraiser. Sall is amazing. Australia is fucked.

Shit.

I don’t know if Mods will let my comment stand.

FYI No crowdfunding platform would deal with her so she set up her own.

Crowdfunder link is in Sall's X bio: https://x.com/salltweets

I don’t know the ins and outs of the Australian Sex Discrimination Law. But has it sneakily changed sex for gender in the wording?

I don’t know about Australia, but here in the UK I have experience of this. I volunteer for a small charity. We had lawyers act for us for minimal cost to us. But of course they had costs they would normally have charged for time etc. When we won our case we were awarded costs and the lawyers were able to claim normal costs for the things they were willing to do for us for a fraction of normal cost.

I think the point is that just because you will help what you believe is a good cause doesn’t mean that you don’t actually have reasonable costs. And while you wouldn’t charge them to someone you support, if the legal system thinks an award of costs is appropriate, you are owed for your time.

Sadly in this case it has gone against Sal this time.

Unbelievable. They're such liars.

I have little hope for the high court either.