Giggle v Tickle Friday 15th May 2pm AEST

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Giggle v Tickle
Friday 15th May
2pm AEST
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https://x.com/i/status/2053669311504642197

So how come Australian law apparently says otherwise (given Friday's judgment) and will no journalists ask the PM why he doesn't seem to know what his own laws say?

We know that males are disproportionately more of a risk to females than other females, which guarantees that a trans woman will assault a female in a single sex space.

The question for the leaders who are upholding this judgment is what is the threshold that needs to be reached for them to reverse the law. Simply, how many women will need to be affected, assaulted or raped before the law is protects them.

I find it difficult to believe that it's a little known culture wars subject. I was in Darwin 3 years ago, to join a ship. I was in a restaurant and overheard a scathing, angry conversation about it, between a mixed group of men and women.

(All anti)

Lie Thomas was in the news at the time. Onboard, it was a topic of conversation and our female chef said she wasn't getting i to a conversation about that shit - she hadn't heard about it, previously.

All the blokes said it was bullshit and cheating and they all supported actual single sex spaces. At that time, I thought I was in a minority of men who knew about it.

Australia loves its sport. The images of Big Jason playing hockey with tiny women alone will peak millions.

they haven’t known this was happening - Sall came to the UK to try and get press because she couldn’t get anywhere to listen on Oz.

It is also a very very tricky subject to raise in Australia. I would not, and have not ever raised my gender critical views at any job I have had over the past 4 years.

Not sure who created this but certainly gets the point across

https://x.com/HDealla/status/2055534063407292501?s=20

There are many, many problems here in Australia at the moment. For most people, this one doesn't even rank in the top 100 in importance.

I find it difficult to believe that it's a little known culture wars subject.

I never said it was little known. Australian people know it is an issue and they tend to disagree with letting men into women's spaces. However they don't care enough to turn it into an electoral issue.

There are many, many problems here in Australia at the moment. For most people, this one doesn't even rank in the top 100 in importance.

That's always been true of women's rights issues, though. They're always considered to be low priority, there are always far more important things we must fix first (how are any of those working out?), we're always told we can't do anything about women's rights until the world is perfect in every other respect.

Eventually enough shit gets exposed to get the required traction, though. And I'm no expert on Aussie law but if Gillard could fuck it up easily, can it be so hard to set right once the appetite and momentum is there?

Isn't that the real problem then? Women's rights don't really matter in Australia - even to many women?

It is a rather common occurrence that women are told that their issues are not important in comparison to all the other issues in the world. We have been told here in the UK that no one cares and there are bigger issues to deal with and no one will consider it important enough to vote for.

We are still told this. But importantly, we have been told this for years. And yet, women have been achieving things regardless.

I hope that it does become an electoral issue in time as the implications for women and girls become clearer. As women age and require hospital or at home care, the ability of men to overrule their right to have a woman (a real one, not a pretendy one) caring for them is just one example - there are longer term consequences of the rise in numbers of males who use their transgender status as a way to force their way into spaces they shouldn't be in that haven't really hit home yet.

Was transgenderism an electoral issue when Gillard erased women and their rights in law? Were Aussies clamouring for a legal change to get men in women's spaces?

I think it is more a reflection on how much this affects a person's life. For the vast majority of women, it is not a day-to-day issue they have to deal with. Unless it is problem you have to personally deal with you are probably not even thinking about it.

Was transgenderism an electoral issue when Gillard erased women and their rights in law?

No, back in 2013, the debate was over gay marriage. I only found out about this change a year ago when I read it online.

Well, it’s gunna be an election issue now

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-05-16/opposition-leader-angus-taylor-vows-amend-sex-discrimination-act/106688258

I note that the government is playing the man, not the ball.

I think in the long run Sall’s loss will turn out to be a pyrrhic victory for the trans lobby. It’s made the gutting of sex discrimination protections an election issue where most politicians didn’t care before.

It was the same with Maya’s case and For Women Scotland all the early losses resulted in a much stronger outcome than an earlier win.

My understanding is that the solution in Australia was always going to end up being political because politicians had wrecked the legislation in the first place. At least now everyone knows that and can’t pretend it’s just women misunderstanding.

It’s the exact same in the U.K. and Ireland though - and that’s exactly the same way that self ID was got through the Dáil, as the Denton document made clear: it was put through on the heels of popular legislation for same sex marriage.

The TDs just waved it through on a wave of happy clappy feelgood self congratulation (aren’t we all so progressive now?) and none of them did any hard work examining the possible downsides. Nor of course did the media.

Which is how we had at least two male psychopaths in female prisons just because they said they were women. Of course that only affected female prisoners and who cares about them, right?

I have a question for anyone in Australia.

I have been seeing stories and comments - mostly on Facebook - about this case, and it seems to me that it is a turning point, and that people are finally waking up to the outrageousness of Australian law and its lack of consideration and protections for women. There are also suggestions that at least some politicians want to change the law because of the ludicrous ruling.

Is this apparent change of heart actually happening, or is it just algorithms showing me what I want to hear?

You mean something like this? When a man who claimed to be a woman insisted on playing women's Gaelic football?
The man concerned, his name is Giulia Valentino, but it could be Big Jason, couldn't it? said he'd ‘like to be remembered for leaving a legacy of inclusion for other transgender players'
and I'm more than happy to oblige him by sharing this photo as often as I can! What a legacy, Giulia!😏

I'm seeing a lot of support for women on fb too. One poster commented that Roxanne's first name should have been Tess 😂

Good question. I would say the type of sexism in Australia (and there is plenty of it) is predominantly the blokey/alpha male type. Blokes in dresses trying to force their way into women’s spaces does not sit well with that type of man, not because they necessarily care about women’s right to autonomy (although some do I’m sure) but more because it’s a challenge to their own idea of masculinity and is seen (correctly imo) as deviant.

I think a great angle for a journalist to take here is that Australia is becoming a haven for these men… case in point - the man who accused Sandy Peggie has now moved here and plenty of people from the US are sharing information about moving to Australia because it’s seen as a sanctuary country for the belief in gender self-ID. I think some publicity around this fact, particularly in the context of nursing, would really get people’s attention.

Not necessarily. Culture wars aren't going to make significant inroads in Australian electoral outcomes given the affordability crisis domination of concern. It will just be seen as a shrewd attempt by the right to distract from their policy shortcomings & its over two years till the next election anyway where this ruling will long be in the rear view mirror.

The laws in question were achieved with bi partisan support btw so Angus Taylor's own party owns these laws. The reason why there's never been any interest in changing them is because its not an issue that has any real world consequences on most people.

Social media isn't the real world. Whilst in theory most people might agree with Grover most people aren't aware of this 'problem' so don't care enough for their vote to be swung by it. Realistically people prioritise their votes according to concerns that directly affect them here & I think that holds for most other places. It would only make a difference if it was super close maybe.

A few media outlets are covering it now. Hopefully that will give more the courage to follow suit. In the circles I am in, most people are pretty clueless about the conflict between women’s rights and trans demands. They are very much just ‘be kind’ and inclusive to the poor trans people. That may be because I don’t think in Australia we’ve had as much of the awful TRA behaviour I seem to see on social media in other countries. I think increasing coverage of issues around child transitioning and sports etc is making inroads though and more people are stating to question what they are actually being asked to believe and affirm.

I would say Australians are more a 'live, & let live' mob but draw red lines when rights are threatened in a meaningful way like sports. And that's evidenced in sporting organisations by & large excluding trans women at the elite level here. When it comes to healthcare for minors I would suspect Australians still have a healthy respect for medical associations because they have earned it. The UK system being underfunded & badly managed is like comparing apples & oranges.

The Australian population being only 25 million means that there is a minuscule amount of trans people that wouldn’t even register on influencing people in their every day lives.