Giggle v Tickle Friday 15th May 2pm AEST

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Giggle v Tickle
Friday 15th May
2pm AEST
Live streamed

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They still are pretty skeptical because they think it is an import from trump/america. Here in Australia it is seen as an imported culture war issue from the US

Yes, it was dismissed as culture wars and fearmongering here, too.

But when you put politicians on the spot about rapists in women's prisons, it starts to look a little different.

Normal people really can't believe that politicians will say that some women have penises.

When it becomes clear that adherence to the ideology must be absolute, things start to change.

Sport's another one that gets people going. The blatant unfairness of it, and how batshit it is.

The problem is the reporting. If it never gets reported, people don't realise the prevalence of it.

But once it becomes an issue for a politician, that changes.

The problem is it is a low salience issue here. Regardless of how people may feel about it, they don't care enough to vote on it. People will always vote on issues that affect themselves directly (cost of living, housing, education). Reporting on it more will not change someone's vote (and ultimately that it only what politicians respond to).

Well I hope you're wrong.

The issue can make politicians look absolutely unhinged, cowardly and incoherent. In a way that comes across as quite shocking.

See Nichola Sturgeon refusing to call a convicted rapist a man, and inventing rapist gender on the spot.

Plus Trump's genius advert of saying Kamila Harris is for they/them, I am for you.

The issue went from nowhere, to foremost amongst politicians.

Edited to add that one of the reasons politicians pick up on it is it can make your opposition look really, really bad. Misogynistic, out of touch and not a little crazy.

It's a piece of piss to reduce any politician to a gibbering fool, merely by asking them what woman is.

People may not actually vote on the issue, but it goes a long way to undermine the credibility of politicians who spout such obvious untruths. And the credibility of many politicians is already precarious.

Genderism ultimately destroys everything it infiltrates, even if it takes time.

Exactly. If you want to beclown yourself in front of the electorate, say that women can have a penis on TV, it never fails.

Australians just don't care though. It is seen as a silly culture war issue that is a distraction from the real issues. Tax, housing, healthcare, education and work are pretty much the only issues aussies pay attention to.

Also it is harder to change something once it is in law. Sex-based rights were removed from Australian law in 2013.

Edited to add that one of the reasons politicians pick up on it is it can make your opposition look really, really bad.

The last party who tried to advocate for sex-based rights in Australia last year got absolutely smashed at the election. Aussies just hate culture war issues. Btw, our current PM has said many times a woman is an adult human female https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4WCFLqSISys

As I said on another thread I don’t think Reform (probably because its boring women’s stuff) fully realise the potential goldmine that this issue is for them to undermine the credibility of Labour/Greens/Lib Dems while presenting themselves as the antidote. “Starmer is for they/them, Reform UK is for you”. Even better for them if Labour pick Rayner, Burnham or Milliband. Genderists and those adjacent don’t perceive just how mad genderism sounds to the average person, however much they then shrug their shoulders and dismiss it as of little relevance to their lives. It’s a credibility killer.

It's interesting though, that the prime minister IS being asked about it. He IS talking about it. It's becoming more topical.

Sorry for the brief derail into UK politics!

It’s a credibility killer.

it really is. The clip of the PM talking about it to Piers Morgan was very short. And deflected the issue by saying a woman is an adult female.

He appeared to then start to talk about campaigners that he didn't agree with her, which I'm assuming might be Posey Parker?

She made that party leader look like an absolute idiot and ruined his career, if I remember correctly.

Any adherence to this ideology, whatsoever, will bring someone down if you have the time to question them

It's only a credibility killer if he says a woman can have a penis, which is not his stance. He has always responded by saying adult human female.

Does it love a female underdog?

Most support Sall, but also don't care much about it. Aussies will probably move onto something else after a day or so once they lose interest.

yep that is what I thought - and then the Sandie Peggie case happened. There will be a drip drip drip of awareness raising stories. Here in the UK the yougov national polling is very clear, people are supportive of trans rights and their ability to live freely, but over time they have realised that the demands of "living freely" are unreasonable impositions on others. so the polls still support trans people's rights, but simultaneously are hardening on sports, single sex spaces, medicalisation of children etc. It takes a long time because the media redfuse to report accurately - if at all - but the more people find out about the genderist movement, the less they like it. Australia will be the same as here in time - it's just going to take longer. Interesting also that 2 major Commonwealth countries (inc Canada) that have gone in so hard on this. I wonder what it is in the culture that has lead things this way?

All the "no one cares you silly women" is all very redolent of how it was here about 7 years ago. No one would write about it here either abd all the politicians were terrified too say anything. We kept bring told no one cares, no one cares so why are you bothering too

turns out ppl did care though

Yes I agree. Adherence to the ideology is the killer

Yes I can remember politicians saying it never comes up on the doorstep.

And then it did

I know many who do care though. I have watched it grow in significance here in the UK over the past years and I predict that Australian will start to understand more and more that there is a problem as the cases gain more publicity. The cases such as Buckley vs Sussex and the case against Kirrily Smith will come through and will build awareness.

More and more people are being impacted directly. I was sitting in a pub in a regional town in Australia a while ago listening to a group of male people with transgender identities discussing the way they deal with women, and even children, who try to either question their presence or, in one instance, a female gym manager asked one to use the individual gender neutral change cubicle they had and not to go into the female change from. He told her he was a woman and she couldn’t do anything about him being in the female change room and offered to show her his genitals as proof. The things the people in that group were saying to little children and to women were appalling and safeguarding issues.

The number of women being negatively impacted by these male people has been growing. I don’t believe that those impacted believe it is an imported culture war. I only know one person there who does think it is a ‘culture’ war because she lives a life where it doesn’t impact her at all at the moment.

The rest, including rural women, are aware and are concerned.

My friends and family won’t talk about it to just anyone though and they won’t talk about it to someone they don’t trust deeply. I have watched while one woman who I know feels strongly about it, deflected with some trite sound bite to someone else.

I watched similar dynamics here 5 or 6 years ago, it took a while for women to feel they can discuss it safely. But in Australia when you have court cases such as Jasmine Sussex’s and Kirrily Smith’s coming through.

Let’s not forget this case from Canberra either where Beth Rep had to pay $10K to Clinch back in 2020. This case had a chilling effect that is still felt.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-09/canberra-radio-newsreader-told-to-pay-transgender-activist-10000/12642722?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link

Yes. One of the reasons we are Terf Island is because we are small, concentrated and relatively speaking, everywhere is easily accessible.

It's stands to reason that it will take longer in a bigger country where the population is more spread out.

Can I just say that the Liberals are working on it. Quietly, yes, but putting in some solid work and, trust me, they are taking very good advice. It’s slow work but they have long known that Giggle v Tickle would go to the High Court and will wait for that judgement. Only then can they write a proposal for a law change.

I am not a Liberal apologist but I do live in a small town with a population of over 2 million. Someone you know always knows some who …

On a more general note for the Australians here, have you found this website before? https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/policies/214. I have linked the trans issue but there are plenty of issues one might be interested in.

I will have a look later and see if I can rearrange some of their statistics into date order and see if these last few years has made a change in voting patterns.

https://x.com/senatorcash/status/2055434872035086583?s=46

Clear election issue now for Australians. Dunno how important this MP is or when the election is though!

@SingleSexSpacesInSchools if we end up with a change of government in two years time, she will want to be Attorney General as she is currently shadowing the position.

However, she is a Senator so doesn’t actually have to work to win her seat. It’s getting a majority in the House of Reps that forms government. Winning those seats is a tricky thing. We have compulsory voting but also we aren’t first past the post - every box needs to be numbered in order of preference and those preferences get counted, too.

We have a historically number of independent members in both Houses currently so there is a lot of negotiation going on,

I was going to say that there are a number of Liberal party senators who have been upfront in their support. Claire Chandler was the first I noticed. Michaela Cash is another.

The ALP is noticeably silent though. I suspect that the factional power would be keeping Albo quiet on this, even if he did agree that the law needed changing. He will avoid avoid avoid unless it becomes a repeated question he faces in media and in parliament.