Looking for a gym with female-only changing rooms by sex: a journey

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I am trying to find a gym in my city (not UK) that excludes males from the female showering and changing rooms.

I was in my gym and there was a man in the changing room- no attempt to be female other than a sports-bra- and since then I was just stressed everytime I went.

I have emailed a gym who say they are trans-inclusive on a case by case basis and said I should use the accessiblity changing room if I am uncomfortable.

I have also put up a post on Reddit in the local page - that got auto-moderated, and then the same post on the national page that is going through normal moderation.

My post says this

I am looking for XXXX gyms that have female‑only changing and shower areas that are restricted by sex, not self‑identified gender.

I’m comfortable sharing these spaces with other females, but I’m not comfortable changing or showering in areas where males may be present.

If you know of any gyms in XXXX please sent me a direct message.

Wish me luck.

The group of trans women who would probably be considered a close cohort to me would have GRCs (and even then, there really isn't much of a barrier to receiving a GRC other than living life). Exactly how many women with GRCs were counted in that shibboleth-worthy prison study?

You don't need my presence for that. It's sex realist belief #1 ...maybe #2.

The law is not in the middle of changing in the UK. If you think that, you are mistaken.

The law has been clarified that if a provision is described as being for female people, male people have been excluded, they need to keep out of female single sex provisions. If you are listening to or reading content saying otherwise, then you need to change to listening to better experts.

And yet, if a male person demonstrates the concept being discussed over and over, as you have, it becomes an evidenced observation.

And we all know sex realist evidence is unequivocally honest and represents the social reality we all live within.

And that is why you have to stay out.

The law agrees, precisely because you belong to the predator class.

This is your belief. It is also a personal attack and against the rules of this board, I thought?

No it isn't.

lol. If you think it's an attack, you've attacked yourself. You agreed that men constitute the predator class.

Another personal attack?

On this issue the law has been made clear and any male person who ignores it is also ignoring female people’s boundaries. And consent. the action of a predator is to ignore a person’s boundaries and their lack of consent around an action.

It doesn’t matter the motivation, the act of a male person ignoring consent and boundaries is predatory behaviour.

You are male. It is not controversial to say that male people are the predatory class of human.

How could it be an attack? You agreed, that men belong to the predator class.

You know that the Supreme Court has said transwomen are men

Keep up!

Confirming that men commit 98% of all sex crime isn't an attack, it's a statement of fact.

The ink is barely dry on FWS. The cynic in me thinks the tribunal decision yesterday could be a judge wanting to force the issue to the extreme. We'll see.

Guidance is still being reviewed and possibly even edited.

Drying ink isn't changing the law!

There's no challenge to the Supreme Court ruling.

Done.

Dusted.

Which piece of legislation was amended following FWS?

Which piece of legislation do you think may be amended when the guidance is issued?

You can be as cynical as you like.

The law has been in place since 2010. If you ignore that law, there will most likely end up being some action taken to enforce your exclusion. If at work, it will be disciplinary action by an employer. Or if it is a public facility it will be your exclusion through banning or other.

Your belief in the law looks to be as subjective in reality as some of your other beliefs. And material reality continues to abide without your personal belief in that material reality.

Ah, so you have moved to this thread now that the other one is full. I wanted to respond to your reply to my last post over there, asking you questions. As it was full, i'll pop it here for you.

Appledrop · Today 16:54
I’ve been reflecting on the structural contradictions being argued here, and I want to put two direct, respectful questions to those who believe biological sex boundaries should be bypassed:
First, given that the threat of male-pattern violence in men's facilities is frequently acknowledged, what specific qualities do you believe exist within female single-sex spaces that warrant entering them? If it is the safety, privacy, and low-threat environment that women have built, why is it fair to ask biological females to absorb the social and physical risk of a male body to provide that refuge for you?
Second, if the legal boundary of biological sex is successfully dismantled—which would legally force venues to replace ladies' rooms with mandatory, gender-neutral unisex spaces—what is the long-term plan then?
Once the female sanctuary is completely gone and you are forced right back into shared public facilities with the exact group of typical, unmodified biological men you are running away from, how will you navigate that reality?

onepostwonder: These are not ideological queries; they are the material, structural consequences of erasing female consent and single-sex boundaries.
You're forming a scenario by implementing a boundary that did not exist when such spaces were created. 'sex-based' is a sex realist definition ignoring gender influence. (Spaces were okay for 99+% with gender/sex alignment and navigated to the best of their ability by the remaining <1%) well before trans people were a glint in the sex-realist eye.
I use women's spaces because I am a woman. If those spaces were to disappear, I would use whatever space replaced them. I would hope they are safe and clean.

Appledrop's reply: To claim that sex-based boundaries did not exist when these spaces were created is an absolute rewrite of history. Separate facilities were established by public health acts and factories acts specifically to provide a physical, biological perimeter based on reproductive anatomy, hygiene, and safeguarding. It had nothing to do with 'gender alignment' and everything to do with material biology.

But your second paragraph is the ultimate admission of failure. You have just confirmed exactly what I predicted: you are willing to push a loophole that would cause women's private safe havens to disappear entirely, and your only plan is to 'hope' that the resulting mixed-sex spaces are safe and clean.
'Hoping' for safety in a shared room with typical, unmodified biological men is not a safeguarding framework. Women do not rely on 'hope' to protect their children and their bodies; they rely on locked doors and enforceable biological boundaries.

Thank you for making it crystal clear to everyone reading that particular thread, that you are entirely willing to sacrifice the privacy, dignity, and safety of biological females just to validate your own social identity. You have proven my point completely. The debate with you is over!

(Apologies to all for hijacking this thread to reply to onepostwonder.)

Your belief in the law looks to be as subjective in reality as some of your other beliefs.

I don't (can't), believe that someone could really not understand what is going on to this extent.

I'd blame their own personal echo chamber, but that poster is on here all the damn time. They must know that the law is the law and that's the end of it.

Who are they holding out for? GLP?

I'd think it was sad, if they didn't fuck everybody off so much.

I think I was in this thread before the other, but none the less. This is off topic.

You continue to make up motivations in your mind about my beliefs and actions. You're welcome I guess, for using my responses as an opportunity to type at me with your beliefs.

you're typing this at me like we all don't recognise the changes in law that have occured since FWS.

It doesn't matter what your motivations are, it's your actions I have a problem with.

I had limited sympathy. However, that is for children and young adults caught up in this.

Adults who have ignored the law to suit themselves and who declare that they will continue to do so are making a very deliberate and conscious decision. And it seems to be (from many contributions of male people across social media) purely because they choose to never take responsibility for their own actions and decisions.

Which piece of legislation was amended?