Do you avoid the bathroom if there is a transwoman?

[PeachyDaisy]

I’m going to an industry event next week and I know there will be a transwoman attending. Should I use the disabled bathroom to avoid an awkward encounter or just continue to use the women’s and hope not to run into them?

This much more credible study in the American Journal of Public Health (2021) found transgender people experienced about 86 violent victimisations per 1,000 people, compared to about 22 per 1,000 among cisgender people.

I remember the study this was taken from (not the biased narrative review you cite). It seemed to struggle with understanding confidence intervals which was particularly relevant as it extrapolated from a total
of just 16 reported incidents for the ‘trans’ population. Hence very wide confidence intervals which showed no statistical significance.

they should be caught and prosecuted
how would you catch and prosecute these specific men, and not the other men (the transwomen)?

I don't even know how you intend to enforce the law without a physical sex check at the door
Are you saying people can't be trusted to use the facilities for their sex? Does one group get to opt out of this responsibility, whereas others don't?

one poor 'butch' woman was beaten up because people thought she was a man going into the female toilets
Who beat her up?

It's funny how we're supposed to take transwomen's concerns about peeing with the men super seriously and give them everything they want, but a woman who's concerned about peeing with men is sad and pathetic, isn't it?

Maybe you could get a catheter fitted to see you through this potentially truamatic event.

😂

Maybe the transwomen who are too scared to pee with other men can get catheters too instead of invading women's spaces?

Fucking hilarious to make a joke about disability

Shows the level of empathy and intelligence of some on here.
Perhaps women who actually do use catheters might like to deal with those in the space and privacy of a women-only facility?

Everyone is just “trying to live their lives”. Even rapists, murderers, doctors, teachers, everyone, it means nothing. Trans identifying people are trying to live their lives lives of the opposite sex though,

You aren't. The topic is manufactured concerns based of ingrained prejudice, not actual concerns based on verifiable fact about this situation.

It doesn't make much difference if they have a predatory motivation or not. The behaviour can be seen and accurately described as predatory. Because it has meant that that male person has ignored or dismissed the fact that the female people in that female single sex provision have not given their consent for them to be there.

It is that lack of consent from female users that makes the description of predatory relevant.

Just because those male people choose to not inform themselves of the implications to them, or if well meaning people have led them to believe that it is acceptable behaviour, them accessing a provision that excludes them or should exclude them can be described as predatory. They should not be there. There is a clear law about this in the UK.

It doesn't require an immediate physical or sexual element to be predatory. Just the feeling of knowing that a female person is powerless to do anything about them being there is enough. It is a power dynamic.

Maybe the trans women should if going into the men’s is so traumatic. You know, from all these attacks from men on gender non conforming other men.

Manufactured outrage 🙄

Um, no why do you think we have single-sex spaces in the first place? Men are and always have been a threat to women and we don't want any of them, whether they are trans or not, in our spaces for safety and dignity.

Transwomen are no less of a threat than other men, so why should they be allowed in our spaces, but other men shouldn't?

Do you think transwomen's fears of using male toilets are a manufactured concern too, because there's far less evidence that they are unsafe than there is that women are!

Where’s the stats on trans women being attacked in male spaces by other men?

Ableist shite

Concerns about male people above the age of about 8 years old are not 'manufactured concerns'.

These concerns were the very reason for female single sex provisions in the first place. those concerns do not change because a male person has claimed that he is female based on his belief in his subjective reality that doesn't reflect material reality.

Is manufactured outrage the latest TRA buzzword to try to silence us, or what? Because if we want to get into manufactured outrage, the people who think misgendering is akin to genocide might be in trouble.

You haven’t answered the question though.

Funny how you move from ‘they are nice and harmless’ to ‘you will need guards at the door to stop them coming in because they have no regard for the law or women and will force their way in unless there are police to stop them’. Make up your mind!

Men do not ‘live their lives as women’ at most they ‘live their lives pretending to be their male fantasy of what they think a woman is’.

The research you cited isn’t credible!

I also live in Australia. Do you realise if you’re an adult and you’ve used any public toilets, at work, movie theatres, train stations before, you’ve probably shared with trans people many, many times.

Is there something different about this event that has you worried?

Trans people are just generally out to live their lives quietly, without you noticing them at all.

What does “having an issue with this” mean?
What do you mean by “truly verifiable incident”?

There are plenty of women on here telling you they have an issue with this. Many have had bad experiences in these circumstances. There have been trans women sent to prison following court cases for assault in toilets. Are they all made up?

Did it not happen because you weren’t there?

Do you not believe that it makes many women uncomfortable/fearful /on edge to be in a short partitioned cubicle next to a male person?

Have a little look online for trans women filming themselves in toilets, having a wank, listening to women use the toilet, messing with tampons.

Then tell us all how we legislate to keep these men out while allowing all your lovely, harmless, perfectly passing transwomen friends in.

And your, doubtless well-researched, counter evidence to @Plasticdreams' statement is...?

I remember one particularly disgusting video I had the misfortune to see of a traswoman stealing and siucking on tampons they'd picked up in the toilets, but sure, nothing to see here. Just living their lives.

So are the majority of men, if you count the amount of men on the planet against the ones who offend. Single sex provisions still exist for a reason. Why do you think that is?